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[0:00] what we're experiencing when we're
[0:02] interacting with cannabis and other
[0:03] medicines as well is not actually the
[0:05] plant giving us paranoia or giving us
[0:07] anxiety because that's an
[0:08] externalization of power but it's
[0:09] showing us what's already in there yeah
[0:11] and it's showing us what might be in the
[0:13] way of say if we made an intention to be
[0:14] happy what might be standing in the way
[0:16] of us actually being happy at the end of
[0:18] the experience but in reality i think a
[0:20] lot of people use cannabis as a means to
[0:22] an end where they're looking for the
[0:23] effect of it where in reality what i've
[0:26] found is that the real medicine that
[0:27] comes from cannabis is in what is shown
[0:30] to you what is illuminated for you when
[0:32] you're in that experience ryan sprague
[0:35] came to this podcast in a very
[0:36] interesting way i actually got to sample
[0:40] his product which happens to be cannabis
[0:44] and when i tried it i was like oh [ __ ]
[0:48] this guy is doing something different
[0:50] than i've ever experienced before
[0:53] and when i sampled what he was doing and
[0:56] you'll hear about all of the ways that
[0:57] he cultivates his cannabis on this
[1:00] podcast and also all of the ways that i
[1:02] use cannabis ceremonially and he does
[1:04] the same it really elevates this plant
[1:07] to one of the most important plant
[1:10] medicine teachers that i've ever had
[1:12] access to it's truly stunning the
[1:15] potential and capability that cannabis
[1:17] which oftentimes we take for granted
[1:20] has in its transformational and
[1:22] transcendental capacity so i hope you
[1:25] guys enjoy this very personal and also
[1:27] illuminating conversation with ryan
[1:29] sprague
[1:33] the truth is is that we're all the
[1:34] master we're all the healer we're all
[1:37] the mystic
[1:38] give it up one time for aubry
[1:42] marcus
[1:47] [Music]
[1:49] ryan aubry here we are and i have to
[1:52] tell everybody i come from a lineage of
[1:55] podcasting which includes joe rogan in
[1:58] which the sacrament used for that
[2:01] podcasting is cannabis
[2:03] but i have not done my dutiful job at
[2:06] weaving cannabis into my podcast
[2:09] like my forefather
[2:10] mr rogan
[2:12] except for this podcast the entirety of
[2:14] my preparation was smoking your weed
[2:18] yes
[2:19] so here we are and let me say this like
[2:22] i've had experiences with cannabis
[2:24] cannabis was the first
[2:26] psychedelic
[2:28] medicine
[2:29] drug whatever you want to call it
[2:30] because at that point i don't know if
[2:31] you could even call it medicine that i
[2:33] ever tried i was like 16 i had older
[2:35] step brothers they gave me some cannabis
[2:38] it was a [ __ ] blast and it was a
[2:40] blast
[2:41] for like all the way up until college
[2:45] and then it started to stress me the
[2:47] [ __ ] out mostly and i could use it if i
[2:50] was going to pair it with yoga or going
[2:51] to pair it with breath work or going to
[2:53] pair it with something else but it had
[2:54] to be very selective a body work it was
[2:57] great anything that was like somatic
[3:00] and so i've kind of had a tenuous
[3:01] relationship with it even with you know
[3:03] when i'd go on joe's podcast he'd pass
[3:06] around the joy and i'd take a little bit
[3:08] but i was mindful because i didn't want
[3:09] to [ __ ] start thinking about the
[3:11] millions of people that were gonna be
[3:12] listening to what i was saying
[3:14] so
[3:15] then i got access to
[3:19] try some of your cannabis
[3:22] which came highly recommended from paul
[3:24] czech and from
[3:26] some other people that i trust and i got
[3:28] a chance to try it and i was like holy
[3:31] [ __ ]
[3:32] there's [ __ ] levels to the game and
[3:34] the levels aren't how many [ __ ]
[3:36] crystals of thc you can pack in a nugget
[3:40] like that is not the criteria the
[3:42] criteria is not trying to turn plant
[3:44] into shatter so that you can get so
[3:46] [ __ ] high
[3:48] like that's not the criteria for
[3:50] incredible medicinal cannabis and i've
[3:53] really felt like i've been able to
[3:55] connect to the spirit
[3:58] of santa maria like the medicinal spirit
[4:01] as my maestro my ayahuasca maestro
[4:03] hamilton saudis said the head medicine
[4:06] spirit of cannabis somehow comes through
[4:09] the strains that you're cultivating and
[4:12] for that reason alone i was like i gotta
[4:14] talk to this guy and meet him on a
[4:15] podcast you know it's so amazing to hear
[4:18] that man because for me cannabis has
[4:20] been a long journey you know and a lot
[4:22] of people ask me why cannabis right like
[4:24] why are you interested in cannabis why
[4:25] not all the other plant medicines were
[4:27] they all you know the ones i've
[4:28] experienced do incredible things but for
[4:30] me in my own personal journey you know
[4:32] we can get into this if you want to for
[4:34] me you know when i first found cannabis
[4:36] i was 16 experiencing anxiety
[4:39] and the only thing that helped was
[4:41] cannabis i tried every pharmaceutical
[4:42] known to man and with everyone that
[4:44] didn't work i kept feeling like is this
[4:46] going to be the way my life is forever
[4:49] and so when i finally found cannabis it
[4:51] actually worked and how i would describe
[4:52] it today is it connected me deeper to
[4:54] myself and it was just this great
[4:56] feeling where i was like wow i actually
[4:58] hopped into the observer point of view
[5:00] and that's not the language i would use
[5:01] them but now looking back on it i was
[5:02] able to see that i wasn't my thoughts
[5:04] and what a profound realization to have
[5:05] when you're 17 you're like you know in
[5:07] the thick of it with school and
[5:08] everything like that and of course they
[5:09] don't teach you any of this stuff i
[5:11] wonder why for you
[5:13] it allowed you to
[5:15] step outside and be the observer of your
[5:18] thoughts whereas for me and for many
[5:20] people it does the opposite it collapses
[5:22] you into the paranoia of your thoughts
[5:25] and maybe that's the [ __ ] point right
[5:27] maybe the point is like let's show you
[5:30] how miserable it is to be identified
[5:32] with your thoughts until you decide
[5:34] uh no not gonna [ __ ] do this 100 and
[5:38] one of the ways i look at cannabis as
[5:40] with any plant medicine is as it's a
[5:42] mirror right and so if it is a mirror
[5:44] then we can see that like what you what
[5:46] we're experiencing when we're
[5:48] interacting with cannabis and other
[5:49] medicines as well is not actually the
[5:51] plant giving us paranoia or giving us
[5:53] anxiety because that's an
[5:54] externalization of power but it's
[5:55] showing us what's already in there yeah
[5:57] and it's showing us what might be in the
[5:59] way of say if we made an intention to be
[6:00] happy what might be standing in the way
[6:02] of us actually being happy at the end of
[6:04] the experience but in reality i think a
[6:06] lot of people use cannabis as a means to
[6:08] an end where they're looking for the
[6:10] effect of it where in reality what i've
[6:12] found is that the real medicine that
[6:13] comes from cannabis is in what is
[6:16] shown to you what is illuminated for you
[6:18] when you're in that experience and so i
[6:20] think that big transition period for me
[6:22] of realizing that it wasn't the high i
[6:24] was looking for like most of my friends
[6:26] at that time were looking for it was
[6:27] what came through to me what was aware
[6:29] to me when i got into that experience
[6:31] that really allowed me to connect deeply
[6:33] with cannabis at that time
[6:34] and i you know i i mentioned rogan at
[6:37] the start of this but that was one of
[6:39] the things that he really appreciated
[6:41] about cannabis he's like i will eat a
[6:44] bunch of it or smoke a bunch of it and
[6:46] then
[6:47] i will go in a float tank and i will
[6:48] have to reckon with my thoughts i will
[6:51] have to wrestle with myself
[6:53] until you know and he used that as a way
[6:55] to kind of forge his own psyche and be
[6:58] able to to manage it and of course
[7:00] that's the way right the way is like put
[7:02] yourself in an uncomfortable situation
[7:05] force an adaptation or absolute misery
[7:08] whatever whatever whatever your way you
[7:10] want to go
[7:12] but to use it in that context i think is
[7:15] just an important reframe so people are
[7:17] saying like oh cannabis gives me anxiety
[7:20] great great you have anxiety anyways
[7:22] so why don't you use this to
[7:26] exaggerate it exaggerate your anxiety to
[7:29] the point that you can actually confront
[7:30] it you know bring it out of the woodwork
[7:33] so that you can deal with it yeah you
[7:34] know one of my good buddies mark england
[7:36] has a quote that says if you laugh at
[7:37] the devil he will run away and so when
[7:39] we think about anxiety or any of these
[7:41] things they can be seen as our devils
[7:43] and so when we're actually able to just
[7:44] look at them and we're actually able to
[7:46] tune into them rather than try to run
[7:47] from them or distract ourselves from
[7:48] them as i did for many years you know
[7:50] we're actually able to see like oh this
[7:52] isn't really as bad as i thought it was
[7:54] it might still be challenging but it's
[7:55] not as like you know scary as i dreamt
[7:58] it up to be because in my experience
[8:00] when i've actually looked into my shadow
[8:02] and things like that it's really like
[8:04] it's just never as bad as i thought it
[8:05] was going to be you know and i think
[8:06] that's one of the biggest realizations
[8:08] that i've found specifically with
[8:09] cannabis because the medicine i interact
[8:11] with most prevalently but it's also
[8:13] helped me with other medicines as well
[8:15] where i've been able to then go oh this
[8:16] is very similar to what i've experienced
[8:18] with cannabis and like joseph campbell
[8:19] says blisses any emotion felt all the
[8:21] way through so what i've found is even
[8:23] in anxiety even in paranoia even in
[8:25] depression i can find a bliss state
[8:27] within that if i actually just sit with
[8:29] that feeling instead of trying to run
[8:30] from it
[8:31] yeah bliss is any feeling fully felt
[8:34] i think is actually how he phrased it
[8:38] uh
[8:39] that's tough
[8:40] that's tough easier
[8:42] yeah that takes some serious
[8:45] tuning in and alchemy the ability to
[8:48] actually
[8:50] take the stimulus and then allow it
[8:53] allow yourself to feel it
[8:55] and
[8:56] and recalibrate it i think a lot of
[8:58] times the categorization of things the
[9:01] label that we put on it actually
[9:03] determines what we feel about it but if
[9:05] you really lived under that operating
[9:07] system which of course is is an
[9:10] operating system that i celebrate as
[9:12] much as i can for most
[9:14] things because that's part of the poet's
[9:16] ethos right like what is a poet a poet
[9:18] is somebody who allows himself or
[9:20] herself to feel so deeply that either
[9:24] the ecstasy or the anguish forms words
[9:27] that point back to that feeling that
[9:30] they feel if you don't feel anything
[9:32] your poetry is [ __ ] it's contrivance
[9:34] right like because the words are just
[9:36] there to point to something you feel and
[9:38] the more you feel it the more your words
[9:40] have the opportunity to point to
[9:42] something that's real and then there's
[9:45] there's the ecstasy of human experience
[9:47] whatever that thing is but
[9:49] these are higher level
[9:51] psycho technologies
[9:53] that you know we're kind of pointing to
[9:54] here absolutely and i think for me like
[9:57] when i started tuning into these things
[9:59] there were things i was feeling within
[10:00] the cannabis space that some of my
[10:02] friends just didn't seem like they were
[10:04] feeling and i always say like you know
[10:06] where most of my friends were using in
[10:07] the party atmosphere when i was 16 17 i
[10:09] would go and watch star wars right and i
[10:11] would just illuminate and think about
[10:13] things and really ask myself like what
[10:14] if any of this is actually true and in
[10:17] that i started actually facing some of
[10:18] these challenges and these demons that
[10:20] were inside of me and what i realized
[10:22] was that the ability for it to connect
[10:24] to myself was amazing in and of itself
[10:26] but when my father got diagnosed with
[10:28] cancer and i had to help him through end
[10:29] of life with cannabis and i got to watch
[10:31] him connect deeper to his grandchildren
[10:33] his other children me i get to hear
[10:35] stories from his childhood that i had
[10:36] never heard before and i got to help him
[10:39] come to terms with his own mortality
[10:41] that's where i really realized the true
[10:43] power of cannabis and how much this can
[10:44] do for the human experience doesn't mean
[10:46] it's a given right because as you were
[10:49] saying there's many different varieties
[10:51] and methods of cultivation with cannabis
[10:52] and there's so many different
[10:53] quantitative and qualitative measures
[10:56] that go into cannabis being able to work
[10:58] in this way and most of it is factory
[11:00] farm these days right so just like
[11:01] industrialized meat you're not going to
[11:03] get the same results as if you're eating
[11:04] grass-fed meat for instance and i think
[11:06] that's important important distinction
[11:07] to make too is that you know having
[11:09] worked in the industry myself i know how
[11:11] most of these plants are being grown and
[11:13] so when i was able to help my dad
[11:14] through this process with the medicine
[11:16] that we had cultivated together you know
[11:18] it was just this experience for me where
[11:19] i really started to realize like this is
[11:21] part of my purpose you know this is part
[11:23] of my dharma this is part of my path and
[11:25] so from there i realized wow there's
[11:26] really no user manual out there for
[11:28] cannabis right it's the most prevalent
[11:30] it's the most misunderstood i feel in
[11:32] many ways but there's no user manual out
[11:34] there for it no one really has got the
[11:36] user manual for how to interact with
[11:38] this plant and i think that's one of the
[11:39] biggest challenges that we face today is
[11:41] that people end up doing much more harm
[11:43] than good in most cases with cannabis
[11:45] yeah i hear all the time everybody knows
[11:48] i'm a psychedelic medicine advocate and
[11:50] it's not to say that i'm advocating for
[11:52] everybody to do it or for anybody to do
[11:53] it but they understand that i tell about
[11:55] my experiences and have told about my
[11:57] experiences for as long as i had a
[11:58] platform to talk about them and just
[12:01] tried to illuminate the benefit that
[12:02] they've had in my life
[12:04] and people will come to me and they will
[12:07] say i could never do psychedelics
[12:09] because this one time i accidentally ate
[12:11] this weed cookie
[12:13] and i got so high and it was the worst
[12:15] night of my life and i was like yeah
[12:17] like if you eat too much cannabis
[12:20] it will be the most challenging
[12:22] experience and i'll [ __ ] tell you
[12:24] i've been in all the challenging
[12:25] experiences
[12:27] ayahuasca has brought me to brutal
[12:29] places of physical and mental anguish
[12:31] iboga told me for eight hours i was the
[12:34] biggest piece of [ __ ] on the planet only
[12:36] at hour nine to be like just kidding bro
[12:40] like played the long game like i've been
[12:42] in some gnarly situations but once again
[12:46] i had a buddy who made a cookie and i
[12:48] said how strong is this cookie he's like
[12:49] ah not strong at all and it was goddamn
[12:51] delicious and i ate that thing and it
[12:53] was the worst night of my [ __ ] life
[12:54] yeah
[12:55] the worst night in my [ __ ] life out
[12:57] of all of the experiences i've had
[12:59] even when you know combo which isn't
[13:02] uh classic psychedelic but i got
[13:03] overdosed with that my i went into
[13:05] anaphylactic shock my throat swole shut
[13:08] i had a
[13:09] veterinary medicine special emergency
[13:12] medicine specialist was about to do a
[13:13] field tracheotomy on me in the middle of
[13:15] the [ __ ] bush
[13:17] that was better
[13:19] that was better than when i had too much
[13:21] weed so for anybody out there it's like
[13:24] i could never do anything like because
[13:25] of this experience
[13:27] no this can be one of the most
[13:30] challenging experiences on the planet
[13:33] just know that just because it's legal
[13:35] and everybody seems to do it doesn't
[13:37] mean that this is an easy road
[13:39] absolutely and i think the thing with
[13:40] edibles is many people don't understand
[13:42] that when you consume cannabis and it
[13:43] gets metabolized by the liver it gets
[13:46] turned into delta 9 gets turned into a
[13:47] totally different cannabinoid called 11
[13:49] hydroxy thc which is 10 times more
[13:52] powerful than intoxicating than delta 9
[13:54] thc and so so many people would come
[13:56] into the dispensary and go yeah i you
[13:58] know i smoke cannabis all the time just
[14:00] give me like a i don't know 200
[14:01] milligram edible i'm like guys
[14:04] i'm like it doesn't work like that i
[14:06] remember one time
[14:07] long before i understood these things a
[14:09] friend gave me a 250 milligram cake pop
[14:12] and i was like oh it's a little tiny top
[14:13] yeah it's like a little tiny like
[14:15] basically cake with frosting on the
[14:16] outside on a lollipop stick and i was
[14:18] like this looks amazing right and so
[14:21] there was a there was a blizzard
[14:22] happening in boston i was like what
[14:24] better time to eat a 250 milligram cake
[14:26] pop oh my god so i ate the whole thing
[14:28] and then the power went out and my
[14:30] basement floods because i have a sump
[14:31] pump down there so i had to go outside
[14:33] in the blizzard and try to start a
[14:35] generator that hadn't got started in 10
[14:36] years all while i'm like losing like
[14:38] concept of reality and i finally get
[14:41] this thing going and i screamed at the
[14:42] sky like thor because i felt like i was
[14:44] like if i can do this i can do anything
[14:47] so yes i know
[14:50] it kind of feels like one of those you
[14:53] know like tribes have these
[14:55] really powerful intense initiations
[14:58] where you like put your hand in a in a
[15:01] basket woven
[15:04] oven mitt looking glove that has bullet
[15:06] ants with the [ __ ] stingers pointing
[15:08] towards you and it's the most painful
[15:10] thing on the planet you got to hold your
[15:12] hand in there or you get buried up to
[15:14] your neck and immobilized in clay or you
[15:16] jump on a [ __ ] bungee cord made of
[15:20] i'm not recommending any of these things
[15:22] nor am i recommending what i'm about to
[15:23] say but as like an initiatory practice
[15:27] you know
[15:28] cannabis
[15:30] at high doses where you have to deal
[15:32] with yourself kind of like a vision
[15:34] quest of your own mind
[15:36] is interesting because this is a very
[15:39] squirrely and dangerous thing to do with
[15:42] most any other medicine right like
[15:45] i've there are very very strong
[15:48] cautionary tales against doing this with
[15:50] ayahuasca but doing this again with lsd
[15:54] with doing this with
[15:56] mushrooms in particular like any of
[15:58] these ones i would say like
[16:00] pretty much terrible idea to take it you
[16:03] want to do minimum effective dose for
[16:05] all of these things
[16:07] and probably that's the case with
[16:09] cannabis i'm just exploring out loud
[16:12] this idea because cannabis doesn't seem
[16:14] to open you
[16:16] too particularly to kind of
[16:19] external
[16:21] forces or traps of the mind that are new
[16:25] it's almost like it's just revealing
[16:27] what's already there it's a way to face
[16:29] off with yourself very much like the
[16:30] darkness retreat that i did
[16:32] it wasn't like i was encountering you
[16:34] know i was in the wild surfing the wild
[16:36] astral and i needed el dragon de la
[16:38] salva
[16:40] all away the [ __ ] bad energy in there
[16:42] it was just me whatever was there was
[16:43] [ __ ] me and maybe it's always me
[16:46] but and sometimes it feels like it's me
[16:48] plus let's just say that and with
[16:50] cannabis it also feels like this is me
[16:52] this is my body this is what's going on
[16:55] in me and so just gently putting out the
[16:58] possibility that that could be part of
[17:00] like an initiatory ritual absolutely i
[17:03] mean it definitely was for me you know
[17:05] might not have been planned but it ended
[17:06] up being that right and you know it's
[17:08] funny that you were talking about
[17:09] minimum effective dosing because that's
[17:11] always what i suggest with cannabis and
[17:12] with other plant medicines as well just
[17:14] because at the end of the day like these
[17:16] things can be amazing but they can also
[17:18] do a lot of harm too if you don't do
[17:19] them and don't hold them in reverence
[17:20] and don't respect them right and so like
[17:22] when i hear terence mckenna's advice
[17:24] with cannabis to just slam it which is
[17:26] what he suggests i'm like that's a
[17:28] slippery slope right and of course
[17:30] terence was a certain type of individual
[17:32] that seemed to be able to handle things
[17:34] like that yeah but i feel like also
[17:35] terence said a hero dose is five grams
[17:37] of mushrooms and that's
[17:40] i don't know that's reasonable a hundred
[17:41] percent and that's reason i mean except
[17:43] if it's like penis envy or something
[17:45] like ridiculous like that like one of
[17:46] those really strong strains and five
[17:48] grams is like
[17:49] [ __ ] buckle up son yeah i had that
[17:52] happen by accident one time
[17:54] the difference is the difference is
[17:55] enormous yeah like [ __ ] enormous
[17:58] between the strains of mushrooms so
[18:00] another random caveat like be mindful
[18:03] like one gram of penis envy is like
[18:06] three and a half at least of a normal
[18:08] strain of like golden teacher 100 i mean
[18:11] i remember when i had done this a couple
[18:13] friends and i made an 18 gram tea and
[18:15] figured oh you know we'll just split it
[18:17] it'll be about six grams each we'll be
[18:18] fine and i literally just sent a penis
[18:21] and i didn't know at this point again a
[18:22] long time ago in a galaxy far far away
[18:24] and so and so when i when the effects
[18:27] came on you know i remember i was uh
[18:29] laughing and i laughed so hard that i
[18:31] triggered this visceral response to me
[18:33] that i was choking my throat was closing
[18:34] up and i was gonna die all in like a
[18:35] nanosecond and so i really quickly like
[18:38] went to the bathroom tried to play it
[18:40] cool and i was like i'm okay and every
[18:42] time a voice would say no you're not it
[18:43] was just messing with me so i tried to
[18:45] puke couldn't puke and then after about
[18:47] five minutes i realized like wait a
[18:49] minute wouldn't my throat have already
[18:50] closed up and the second that happened i
[18:52] got the biggest cosmic giggle of like
[18:54] the mushroom entity or whatever laughing
[18:56] at me being like all right we checked
[18:58] you before you wrecked yourself now you
[18:59] can go hang out and get some fun visuals
[19:01] you know and so yeah i learned from that
[19:03] experience
[19:04] yeah yeah no doubt i mean there's so
[19:07] there's lots of reasons to be super
[19:09] mindful and careful and i think that's
[19:11] still the best advice and everything but
[19:13] i'm at least curious about
[19:16] pushing especially because with your
[19:18] cannabis i've developed such as
[19:20] feels like a such a good relationship
[19:22] with the medicine and and so
[19:25] kind of formed that sim a different like
[19:27] a more evolved relationship that i had
[19:30] when i was in high school and in some
[19:32] ways this goes to the three levels of
[19:34] consciousness right you start in the
[19:35] pre-tragic in the pre-tragic you're in
[19:37] eden everything is cool it was all funny
[19:39] every piece of food tasted great i was
[19:41] just laughing music sounded better sex
[19:44] was better everything was better it was
[19:45] like cannabis equals everything is
[19:48] better
[19:49] you know art is better doesn't matter
[19:51] everything is better then i entered the
[19:53] tragic world where it's like oh wow
[19:55] everything is worse i mean food still
[19:57] tasted better
[19:59] occasionally sex felt better but like
[20:01] otherwise and everything was kind of
[20:04] like
[20:04] confusing and difficult so that would be
[20:06] from the pre-tragic to the tragic and
[20:08] then there's the post-tragic which is
[20:10] including all of the different wisdom of
[20:12] all of that but it's almost like a
[20:13] return back to that pre-tragic state
[20:15] where everything is awesome except you
[20:17] have the wisdom of making the journey
[20:19] and it kind of feels like that's where i
[20:21] am with cannabis right now yeah i mean
[20:22] it makes perfect sense i mean i would
[20:24] say very similar for me like i went
[20:26] through that period where i was first
[20:27] getting into it where everything was
[20:28] amazing i helped my father through it it
[20:30] was incredible and then i got into the
[20:31] industry
[20:32] and when i started getting into that i
[20:34] started watching a lot of different
[20:35] people's habits with cannabis and at
[20:37] this point i was only interacting with
[20:38] it once a night so i fell into this like
[20:40] oh i'm using it in the right way right
[20:42] i'm holding in reverence i'm using it
[20:44] consciously and then it was actually
[20:46] through an mdma ceremony in las vegas
[20:48] where in the weirdest spot which i'll
[20:50] mention if you want me to but in the
[20:51] weirdest spot
[20:52] spearmint rhino uh
[20:54] dude it was actually done some mdma
[20:55] ceremony it was actually it was actually
[20:57] a strip club in las vegas
[20:59] with rachel and you know we went to this
[21:01] big cannabis convention to find our own
[21:03] investors to start our own place
[21:05] and everyone out there was just more
[21:06] worried about how much money we could
[21:07] make them and so we were kind of going
[21:09] through a mini dark night of the soul
[21:10] which is when cannabis started to not
[21:12] turn into that tragic stage for me but
[21:14] also like more started i started to feel
[21:16] a lot more of like what am i gonna do
[21:18] about this right like this is the
[21:19] industry i wanted to spend the rest of
[21:21] my life and what am i gonna do so we
[21:23] were like you know what do we do our
[21:24] last night here and she was like let's
[21:26] go to the strip club and i was like
[21:27] perfect so we took some md made we went
[21:29] to the strip club we ended up talking to
[21:31] the strippers only they were like you
[21:32] guys are weird like what's happening
[21:33] here right they actually probably love
[21:35] it yeah yeah they probably loved it yeah
[21:37] i loved it yeah and we got their life
[21:39] stories it was it was amazing you know
[21:41] and so like when we left there
[21:43] i had this moment where i was actually
[21:45] able to feel a real low because we left
[21:48] too late rachel had a big project she
[21:50] was working on and so i felt that low
[21:52] and in that moment it was bliss because
[21:53] i realized oh my god i haven't been
[21:55] feeling a lot of my feelings in a long
[21:57] time since my father passed and so on
[21:59] that plane ride home i had this five
[22:01] hour flight with a pounding migraine and
[22:03] i was just in pure bliss because i was
[22:05] realizing like oh my goodness like i was
[22:07] only experiencing a couple different
[22:08] shades of the rainbow of emotion and a
[22:11] big part of that was because i was using
[22:12] cannabis unconsciously at that point
[22:14] because what i realized was i was at
[22:16] this dispensary that was out of
[22:17] alignment for what my soul wanted
[22:19] i would get all the motivation to change
[22:21] it and then i would go home i would
[22:23] interact with cannabis i would be
[22:24] embraced with the comfort of the
[22:26] feminine and then i would go back to
[22:27] work the next day and feel the same
[22:28] thing it was a cyclical process and
[22:30] that's where that tragic stage started
[22:32] for me and then once i actually was able
[22:34] to go through this experience and get
[22:36] back to the dispensary and stop
[22:37] interacting with cannabis i only lasted
[22:39] a month there before i was like i gotta
[22:40] leave here yeah and i started highly
[22:42] optimized and you know the rest is
[22:43] history you know i saw one of the i saw
[22:46] one of the
[22:47] negative consequences of cannabis really
[22:50] early actually also in high school so i
[22:52] had a buddy who his dream
[22:56] was
[22:57] to be a musician like the black crows he
[23:00] had that was his band you know and he
[23:02] was
[23:03] he wanted that more than anything else
[23:06] and
[23:07] he was big big into cannabis and
[23:10] he would smoke
[23:11] daily and when he would smoke cannabis
[23:14] would tell him that he was gonna it was
[23:16] gonna be a rock star right
[23:18] and
[23:19] he practiced he practiced but he was she
[23:22] was shy
[23:23] and
[23:24] so he never actually took the steps to
[23:27] like actually go out form a band be a
[23:30] part of a band play the shows
[23:33] that all was like far delayed
[23:36] from actually what steps would have been
[23:38] needed to take like what he actually
[23:40] needed the motivation he needed to take
[23:42] to actually do it there was a big delta
[23:45] and so that dream never manifested now i
[23:48] get it it's [ __ ] hard to be a
[23:49] musician and maybe it wasn't in the
[23:50] cards anyways but i could see where the
[23:52] cannabis kept telling him and he'd be
[23:54] like
[23:55] you know i'm gonna be playing in front
[23:57] of tens of thousands of people brother
[23:59] and i was like awesome but like what
[24:01] about playing in front of 10 people now
[24:03] you know because i got that like i got
[24:05] if you're going to do that you got to
[24:07] start like right now
[24:09] doing this type of thing you got to get
[24:11] over your shyness you got to you can't
[24:13] just get into the magical thinking of
[24:15] smoking and then feeling it there but
[24:18] not actually taking the steps in real
[24:19] life so that was the first time i saw
[24:21] something
[24:22] where it was like
[24:23] okay all right this is potentially a way
[24:26] in which cannabis is providing relief
[24:29] for his impulse to try and be that rock
[24:32] star that he wanted to be it was it was
[24:34] kind of diverting it into this dead end
[24:36] cul-de-sac yeah you know i've seen that
[24:38] a lot as well especially when i worked
[24:41] at the dispensary and one of the things
[24:42] that i tell people is if we understand
[24:44] that cannabis is feminine medicine then
[24:46] i always use this analogy of the salsa
[24:47] dance where in a salsa dance the
[24:50] masculine role is to give direction and
[24:51] to lead the dance right and the woman's
[24:53] role is to be able to express herself
[24:54] fully but if the masculine role is not
[24:57] playing his part of the equation and not
[24:59] giving her that eye that tells her like
[25:01] you can express yourself i know where
[25:02] you're going to fall and i can catch you
[25:04] then essentially the feminine is not
[25:05] going to be able to really be at her
[25:07] full speed and the masculine is not
[25:08] going to be at his full speed either and
[25:10] so with cannabis what i always say is
[25:11] that regardless of what gender you are
[25:14] if you're entering this experience your
[25:16] side of the bargain or you're part of
[25:17] the bargain is creating an intention
[25:19] from which to give the experience a
[25:20] direction it's not the only aspect of it
[25:22] but if you understand that elementary
[25:24] aspect of just being able to give it an
[25:26] intention then just like you know your
[25:28] mother right when you were sick she
[25:29] would want to know what do you want but
[25:30] if you kind of just looked at her with a
[25:32] blank stare she'd be like all right
[25:33] you're weirdo i don't know what you want
[25:34] so i'm going to come back later right
[25:36] but if you told her hey i need this
[25:37] she'd be like okay cool i can go give
[25:38] that to you right now the challenge is
[25:40] that if someone asks say for instance to
[25:42] be happy and then they experience
[25:44] anxiety they might be like why am i
[25:46] experiencing anxiety i wanted to be
[25:47] happy so the second part is
[25:49] understanding it's a mirror and it will
[25:50] show you what's standing in the way of
[25:52] you accessing what your intention that
[25:54] you set wants to be and so like the
[25:56] third part of it is imagination medicine
[25:58] where if you understand that it can help
[26:00] you access the imagination from moving
[26:02] you into the subconscious then you're
[26:04] able to actually see that you can form
[26:05] new belief systems and these kind of
[26:07] things are possible yet they're not
[26:09] givens right like you still have to do a
[26:10] lot of work yourself in the equation to
[26:13] be able to have cannabis experience uh
[26:15] you in this way right and experience
[26:17] cannabis in that way and so this is why
[26:19] like i saw there was no guidance out
[26:21] there right for being the most popular
[26:22] plant medicine i'm like where's all the
[26:24] guidance the guidance you get a
[26:25] dispensary is you won't get cancer smoke
[26:27] it all day long every day and it's fine
[26:29] that's like literally the guidance that
[26:30] people are getting and i was working
[26:32] with everyone that you know from the age
[26:33] of 20 to the age of 80 and i was working
[26:36] with some
[26:37] elderly individuals that would come in
[26:39] and they'd get advice from other
[26:40] dispensaries to eat 100 milligram edible
[26:42] and i'm like where is this advice coming
[26:44] from right goodness and they'd say oh
[26:46] well you know they have a big
[26:48] pharmaceutical tolerance maybe they've
[26:49] already been on you know opiates or
[26:51] something like that so we're going to
[26:52] give them a higher dose and i'm like
[26:53] that doesn't translate whatsoever like
[26:56] it's just there's no guidance and so
[26:57] that's why we made connect with cannabis
[26:59] to bridge that gap because i really feel
[27:00] that cannabis can be so much more than
[27:03] what it is and i think part of it is
[27:05] just reimagining what cannabis is
[27:07] because it can be a powerful tool for
[27:08] self-development and self-awareness yet
[27:10] it's not a given it has to be worked to
[27:12] be able to be achieved in that way yeah
[27:14] it's almost like the gifts are hidden in
[27:16] plain sight yeah you know i mean i think
[27:18] it has some of the
[27:20] highest unrealized upside
[27:23] of any of any medicine that's as widely
[27:26] used as it is
[27:27] you know i mean i think
[27:30] you take mushrooms for example right not
[27:32] as widespread but more often than not
[27:35] people are actually realizing the upside
[27:37] you know where it's like you know i had
[27:39] a buddy
[27:40] really successful athlete and the first
[27:43] time i met him
[27:44] he was like let me you want to know
[27:45] about the greatest day of my life and i
[27:47] was like probably when you won that
[27:48] [ __ ] championship right like
[27:50] you know lombardi trophy big deal and uh
[27:53] and he was like
[27:55] i took mushrooms on the beach and i
[27:57] merged with the ocean it was the best
[27:59] day of my life
[28:00] you know i was like [ __ ]
[28:03] you know so and that's just it's not
[28:05] that he intended to do that but but
[28:07] mushrooms can bring you and also it can
[28:09] you can get in some dark places you can
[28:11] have some nightmarish experiences i'm
[28:12] not saying that that's not possible as
[28:14] well but more often you know more often
[28:16] than with cannabis people are realizing
[28:18] the potential because that's like
[28:20] the potential that i think psilocybin
[28:24] has right that type of experience where
[28:26] you're with your buddies you're laughing
[28:27] with them you merge with the ocean and
[28:29] realize that you and the water itself of
[28:32] the great mother are seamless
[28:34] okay nailed it you know like 10 out of
[28:37] 10. yes but cannabis is like reliably
[28:40] giving people
[28:41] 6 out of 10 5 out of 10 7 out of 10
[28:45] maybe occasionally an 8 out of 10
[28:47] but like rarely is it getting to that 10
[28:50] out of 10
[28:51] experience you know and and that could
[28:53] be many different ways it is such a
[28:55] multifaceted and
[28:58] and kind of
[28:59] interestingly complicated plant you know
[29:02] because you can use it for poetry and
[29:04] you use it for introspection you can use
[29:06] it for connection you it's there's a lot
[29:07] of different ways that you can really
[29:09] dive deep in it but uh but i feel like
[29:11] there's so much delta between what
[29:14] people are getting out of it and what
[29:15] its potential is
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[30:36] you know i kind of view the cannabis
[30:38] spirit as shy a little bit where like it
[30:40] won't just show you itself like
[30:41] mushrooms might and just like you said
[30:43] mushrooms they might show you of many
[30:45] different varieties of experiences right
[30:47] but they're going to show you like what
[30:49] their power is much quicker than
[30:50] cannabis cannabis you almost need to
[30:52] work a little bit more with to be able
[30:54] to have that type of experience with and
[30:55] that's what i had right where cannabis
[30:57] will always almost give you the
[30:59] experience that you're asking for and so
[31:00] if you're not really aware that it can
[31:02] do these things well then it's not
[31:04] really going to show you that side of it
[31:06] but at the same time if you start asking
[31:07] questions that's why i tell people you
[31:09] know i don't say this is the right or
[31:11] wrong way to interact with cannabis
[31:13] there's no duality here it's just simply
[31:14] the way that i do it and if someone
[31:16] picks up something they want to try out
[31:18] cool
[31:18] and what i've experienced in doing the
[31:20] program and all of these things is that
[31:22] when people start going okay what if i
[31:24] live my life as if cannabis could work
[31:26] this way right and they go from that as
[31:28] if to being like okay now i had the
[31:30] direct experience now it can be more
[31:32] matter of fact where i go okay i've had
[31:33] the direct experience of cannabis
[31:35] working this way when you bridge that
[31:37] gap a whole new world can open up and
[31:39] that's been one of the coolest things
[31:40] for me because new worlds are opening up
[31:42] every single time i sit in ceremony with
[31:44] cannabis where even though i teach a
[31:46] program on it i've been doing this for
[31:47] 12 years there's constantly new things
[31:49] that are even illuminating to me and
[31:51] it's just an eternal mystery and that's
[31:53] one of my most fascinating components of
[31:54] cannabis that i love so much yeah
[31:57] there's an element of cannabis too
[32:01] that's very interesting in
[32:03] how it interacts with other medicines
[32:06] and
[32:07] i've had experiences where it interacted
[32:09] with psilocybin in a particularly
[32:13] intense way and i would not recommend it
[32:17] you know
[32:18] yes it can deepen the experience but
[32:21] it
[32:22] it created an incredibly chaotic and
[32:27] intense situation and i've seen that
[32:29] happen not just with me but with other
[32:30] people
[32:31] so like that is a pairing that i'm like
[32:34] maybe at the very end of things aft long
[32:37] after the peak
[32:39] things are chilled out like all right
[32:41] all right but like be careful
[32:44] like be super careful with that one 100
[32:47] you know
[32:48] you know it's like paul check says about
[32:49] having two wives until you learn how to
[32:51] ride one horse really well don't try
[32:54] right in two because you'll get thrown
[32:55] and ripped apart you know and that's how
[32:57] i view it as well you know i think that
[32:59] as hamilton talks about cannabis calls
[33:01] on a lot of spirits so sometimes it can
[33:03] be like too many cooks in the kitchen
[33:05] especially if you already have the
[33:06] spirit of psilocybin within you and then
[33:08] you try invoking this and you don't know
[33:10] how to call in the head spirit and do
[33:11] these types of things it can almost be
[33:13] like just in a really loud room with a
[33:14] bunch of conversations happening at once
[33:16] right and you're like which one do i
[33:17] attach on to and so i've i've definitely
[33:19] gone through those experiences too and
[33:20] what i've found is that like you were
[33:22] saying on the tail end of psilocybin
[33:24] it's fantastic right rachel and i had
[33:26] done a tea
[33:28] probably about six months ago
[33:29] where we went through the whole
[33:30] experience we meditated we listened to
[33:32] sound healing frequencies which what we
[33:34] usually do and we do a larger dose and
[33:36] at the end at about three in the morning
[33:38] i decided to interact with some of the
[33:39] strata canna and it was um i wrote i
[33:42] literally channeled into my journal like
[33:44] five pages and so much got downloaded to
[33:46] me but when i've tried it like at the
[33:48] peak of the experience it's just too
[33:50] many cooks in the kitchen right it's not
[33:52] necessarily challenging but it's just
[33:53] like i don't even know what i'm supposed
[33:55] to be paying attention to and so i feel
[33:56] like i'm missing a lot of the messages
[33:58] that could potentially be the lessons
[34:00] that i'm looking to learn in that
[34:01] experience yeah yeah for sure
[34:03] now let me go to something where i feel
[34:05] like they do
[34:07] stack together on top of each other and
[34:09] that's cannabis and ketamine
[34:12] to me
[34:12] that combination
[34:14] forms not a stack but actually a fusion
[34:18] it creates a fusion of the limitlessness
[34:21] of the mind and the somatic embodiment
[34:25] that
[34:26] cannabis can provide and it creates
[34:28] something else that the handshake is so
[34:30] complete that
[34:32] it just forms one new thing yeah and to
[34:36] me
[34:37] that is one of the
[34:38] least talked about
[34:41] like possibilities in psychedelic
[34:43] medicine
[34:44] period like i've had some of my most
[34:47] profound journeys of any journey i've
[34:49] ever been on
[34:51] utilizing that combination and in that
[34:53] combination you want the peaks to match
[34:56] like you actually and i'm not saying you
[34:58] couldn't do it another way but the magic
[34:59] happens when you get both peaks to match
[35:01] and then this is not a walking around
[35:03] the [ __ ] room type of thing
[35:07] no this is a mind fold on
[35:10] good headphones or whatever really good
[35:12] speaker
[35:13] typically john hopkins music is the best
[35:16] music for psychedelic therapy he's also
[35:18] got a bunch of other great tracks
[35:20] put on some john hopkins playlist and
[35:23] allow yourself to bring your body into
[35:26] the void so that you can interact with
[35:28] the limitlessness of the mind and the
[35:30] quantum potentiality and the information
[35:32] intelligence of
[35:34] your body and to me
[35:37] that is one of the most powerful things
[35:40] that i've experienced and it went to
[35:41] just another [ __ ] level
[35:43] when i tried it with your cannabis
[35:46] you know it's really funny man so i've
[35:48] only had one experience with something
[35:50] like ketamine and it was something like
[35:52] ketamine
[35:53] so
[35:54] so this is what i'm so excited to share
[35:56] with you so i have these buddies that
[35:58] run a certain biohacking company and
[36:00] they have this incredible product they
[36:02] make that has a ketamine analog and a
[36:04] psilocybin analog in it along with a
[36:06] couple other things too and so i've
[36:08] never done straight ketamine before but
[36:10] this experience allowed me to actually
[36:12] understand what dissociating is and i
[36:14] was like oh my goodness i've experienced
[36:16] similar things to this in other
[36:17] medicines not like this but a same same
[36:20] but different type feeling
[36:21] and interacting with cannabis on that is
[36:23] one of the best experiences ever there
[36:25] was a couple weeks ago where it was
[36:26] rachel's birthday so we went to the
[36:28] beach and we were interacting we were
[36:30] playing can jam which is one of my
[36:31] favorite games so much fun and uh we
[36:34] interacted with one of these trophies
[36:36] and then we hit some bags and it was
[36:38] just i mean i lost not lost i i gained
[36:41] so much presence that nine hours flew by
[36:44] and i didn't even think about my phone i
[36:45] didn't even think about anything else i
[36:47] was just so in the moment like a mind of
[36:49] a child and so i imagine that
[36:50] combination is absolutely incredible now
[36:52] that you've said it too yeah very
[36:54] interesting it's stunning i mean i will
[36:56] feel energy moving up and down through
[36:59] my body healing that happens at such a
[37:01] profound level like
[37:02] you know even the best reiki healing
[37:06] on the best dose of you know mushrooms
[37:08] or ayahuasca or whatever you'll feel
[37:10] some energy move and it's potent this
[37:12] feels like it's on autopilot and it's
[37:15] just happening in such a profound way
[37:16] i'm going
[37:18] i i can't believe this i can't believe i
[37:21] just cannot believe
[37:23] what is happening energetically in my
[37:24] body as well as
[37:26] you know psychologically and it doesn't
[37:28] always doesn't always i don't always
[37:29] match them up quite right sometimes you
[37:32] can match them up a little a little
[37:33] wrong where cannabis is a little too
[37:35] strong and the ketamine's not strong
[37:37] enough the ketamine's a little too
[37:38] strong
[37:39] but so you got to try and match them up
[37:41] in the right way and i think you have to
[37:43] be in the right head space and there's a
[37:44] lot of factors of course it's energetic
[37:46] medicine
[37:47] but you can get it where it's just
[37:50] you see the world in a different place i
[37:52] feel like i've upleveled my
[37:55] consciousness
[37:56] in a more significant way since
[37:58] discovering that pairing and of course i
[38:00] have you know doctor prescribed ketamine
[38:02] so i'm getting really like high quality
[38:05] and reliable amounts i'm not just like
[38:06] ripping bumps out of a [ __ ] spoon
[38:09] or a pinky nail or something like that
[38:12] but um but yeah it's been it's been
[38:13] really profound for me to explore that
[38:16] world and also it gives me a lot of hope
[38:19] because there's very i mean i feel like
[38:22] it gives access to the depth that a lot
[38:24] of these other
[38:25] you know medicines can be with limited
[38:28] limited downside and also
[38:31] legality and i don't know how many
[38:33] states is cannabis legal now god 14 yeah
[38:36] 14 to 18 somewhere in there i was just
[38:38] looking at the map it's gonna be
[38:39] universal you know pretty soon so it's
[38:41] almost fully legal to do this
[38:44] you know so it's like this is maybe one
[38:46] of the first things of course mdma is
[38:48] going to be legal in in clinical
[38:49] settings soon but it's just one of those
[38:52] things that's coming into the planet now
[38:54] at a time where the planet really needs
[38:56] it and then of course pairing the
[38:58] ketamine and cannabis with bodywork
[39:01] where and that's something that i've
[39:03] been you know i've been trained to be
[39:04] able to provide from my teacher parangi
[39:07] a very particular type of body work that
[39:09] works in the somatic body and you know
[39:11] the the subtle body as well
[39:13] and that combination is just it's really
[39:15] phenomenal it's really phenomenal to
[39:17] both receive and actually give and enter
[39:19] that space with people yeah i love that
[39:21] man and you know you're 100 right you
[39:23] know every different type of archetype
[39:24] of human being is interacting with
[39:26] cannabis from policemen to firemen to
[39:28] librarians to doctors to elderly people
[39:30] to young people i mean there's so many
[39:32] different types of people interacting
[39:34] with this medicine that i'm i i think
[39:36] the same as you this could be the
[39:37] introductory thing to people exploring
[39:40] shifting consciousness right and you
[39:42] know if we talk about astrologically the
[39:44] age of aquarius coming through and all
[39:45] these things we can see a shift
[39:47] happening
[39:48] and so i imagine that many people are
[39:49] going to start to become curious if they
[39:51] aren't already regarding these medicines
[39:53] cannabis ketamine mdma psilocybin etc
[39:56] and i've had fantastic experiences with
[39:58] all of them but the great thing about
[40:00] cannabis is that unlike a lot of other
[40:02] medicines you can do it in your living
[40:04] room if you have to right you don't need
[40:06] to necessarily take a trip you don't
[40:08] need to necessarily have a facilitator
[40:10] although i do recommend it especially if
[40:11] you're new to it but it's it's really
[40:13] like the people's plant in a lot of ways
[40:15] right because you could i'm not saying
[40:17] you should right and i don't do it but
[40:19] you could drive a car you could
[40:21] technically do your daily tasks on these
[40:23] types of things where like how many
[40:24] people do you know that eat a gram of
[40:25] mushrooms to fold their laundry right or
[40:27] do the laundry probably not a lot but
[40:29] regularly people will be like oh i'm
[40:30] going to interact with cannabis to be
[40:32] able to do laundry to be able to do this
[40:33] do that etc and the funny thing is that
[40:36] i was in a recent cannabis experience
[40:38] where i was going to interact with it
[40:40] and i had this laundry i wanted to fold
[40:42] and so i was like okay i'm going to fold
[40:43] the laundry first and then i got this
[40:44] download and i was like i wonder what
[40:46] would happen because usually folding
[40:47] laundry is something i just get
[40:48] frustrated about i was like i wonder
[40:50] if i interacted with cannabis before i
[40:52] folded my laundry i just hang everything
[40:54] up yeah i'm so bad i don't blame you
[40:56] like
[40:57] whatever like [ __ ] workout shorts i'm
[40:59] like [ __ ] it just hanging
[41:02] and it's funny man because like you know
[41:04] when i interact with cannabis this time
[41:06] as an experiment i was like what will
[41:07] happen why am i getting called to do
[41:08] this
[41:09] what i realized was that like we were
[41:11] talking about a little bit earlier it
[41:12] was the story i had upon what folding my
[41:15] laundry meant originally it was
[41:16] something i just had to do because i
[41:18] just had to do it and when i interacted
[41:20] with cannabis i was present and i was
[41:22] doing it and i was like wow this is
[41:23] really an act of self-love because i
[41:25] know that when i wake up and all my
[41:26] laundry is put away and i have an
[41:28] ergonomic space that's clean and feels
[41:29] conducive to me working in and things
[41:31] like that that i love myself a little
[41:33] bit more and so i started to be like wow
[41:36] cannabis i find to be one of the only
[41:38] medicines that can connect us to the
[41:39] most mundane tasks of our life yeah turn
[41:41] it into the zen yeah the zen of folding
[41:44] laundry the zen of doing dishes yeah
[41:46] because like it's one thing it's great
[41:47] to be connected and feel amazing when
[41:49] you're hanging with friends or you're
[41:50] having a group dinner or you're on a
[41:52] medicine ceremony but what happens on
[41:54] all the mundane aspects of our life
[41:56] taking out trash folding laundry etc if
[41:58] we can connect to those components of
[42:00] our life well then we increase the
[42:01] ability of us to connect deeper to our
[42:03] lives because how you do anything is how
[42:05] you do everything so if you learn how to
[42:06] connect deeper to yourself folding
[42:07] laundry then guess how much better you
[42:09] might be at being able to connect more
[42:11] with other people connect more with the
[42:12] work you're doing connect with your
[42:14] clients it's fantastic so those are like
[42:16] the eternal mysteries like i said
[42:17] they're always coming out for me and i'm
[42:19] just an eternal student yeah yeah no
[42:21] doubt let's give people a
[42:22] troubleshooting guide let's say you
[42:23] smoke some cannabis eat some cannabis
[42:25] you start feeling that creeping anxiety
[42:27] that constriction in your chest your
[42:29] head starts creeping out to all of these
[42:31] potential timelines where you've
[42:33] projected a version of yourself in the
[42:34] future and that future self is suffering
[42:36] some terrible calamity and the world is
[42:39] closing in and you find yourself in one
[42:40] of these positions what's your advice
[42:43] for how to bring people back to center
[42:45] and start to quiet these because
[42:47] one of the challenges is alongside those
[42:50] you have hormones that are actually in
[42:51] your body cortisol is being released
[42:53] adrenaline noradrenaline all of these
[42:55] different things are happening and they
[42:57] actually
[42:58] take a while to settle down to flush out
[43:00] of the bloodstream again so you're gonna
[43:03] have to really focus on something i
[43:05] imagine so but what's your advice the
[43:07] breath the first thing is the breath
[43:09] come back to your breath and just start
[43:11] noticing right are you up regulated are
[43:12] you breathing up into your lungs are you
[43:14] down in your diaphragm where are you
[43:15] breathing and how are you breathing and
[43:17] what i always say for most people is do
[43:18] a down regulatory breath work style like
[43:20] box breathing it's easy you can just do
[43:22] an account in for four hold for four
[43:24] breathe out for four and if you want to
[43:25] hold the breath out for four at the end
[43:27] you can do that too and then the second
[43:29] thing is a mantra that i use for any
[43:32] medicine when i'm having a challenge
[43:33] which is i took a medicine and the
[43:34] medicine is working right because a lot
[43:36] of times i forget that like hey i was
[43:39] totally willing to experience a
[43:40] challenge before i got in on this but
[43:42] now that i'm experiencing it's very
[43:43] similar in ice bath right you're like
[43:45] yeah let's do an ice bath and you get in
[43:46] there in the first 10 seconds you're
[43:48] like why am i in here why am i even
[43:49] doing this right and so remember
[43:51] reminding yourself like okay i took a
[43:53] medicine and the medicine is working the
[43:54] exact way it needs to work sometimes we
[43:57] start shooting all over ourselves right
[43:59] this shouldn't be happening something
[44:00] else should be happening and so
[44:02] reminding ourselves that hey this is
[44:04] exactly what we're looking for and
[44:05] exactly what we asked for even if it
[44:07] might not be exactly what we thought it
[44:08] might be
[44:09] getting ourselves to realize that we are
[44:11] in control of how we perceive the
[44:12] experience and then the third step is
[44:15] just realizing that whatever you're
[44:16] experiencing is simply sensations that
[44:19] you might have a story on no it's not
[44:20] necessarily easy to be like oh it's just
[44:22] a story i'll just top my way out of it
[44:24] but these things is you start repeating
[44:26] them to yourself getting into the breath
[44:28] being able to connect with that mantra
[44:29] and then being able to tell yourself
[44:31] like okay
[44:32] this anxiety i might be feeling or this
[44:34] paranoia what is the sensation let's
[44:36] leave the story behind of what i know
[44:38] anxiety to be or what i know paranoia to
[44:39] be and let me connect with these
[44:41] feelings because when you can actually
[44:43] connect with the feeling and just go
[44:44] okay i want to look at you objectively
[44:46] right i want to leave the story behind
[44:47] and just tune into this uncomfortable
[44:49] feeling i'm feeling a lot of times it
[44:51] will dissipate because emotions only
[44:53] last so long right and it might take a
[44:55] while or it might not be five minutes it
[44:57] might be the full experience but
[44:58] eventually you will feel it subside at
[45:00] least in my experience and with the
[45:01] clients i've worked on and so that
[45:03] three-step process really helps me a lot
[45:04] you know connecting to the breath
[45:06] repeating either that mantra or one
[45:07] that's kind of the same type of idea and
[45:09] then being able to tune into the
[45:11] sensations in your body without
[45:13] necessarily the story that you might
[45:14] have around oh my god the last time i
[45:16] interacted with cannabis and this
[45:18] happened what happened you know or it
[45:19] was the worst experience of my life like
[45:21] in you know your case with the edible
[45:22] right like if you had a similar
[45:24] experience trying to disconnect yourself
[45:26] from the memory of that past experience
[45:29] and going this is a new experience i'm
[45:31] going to treat it as such that's really
[45:33] helped me yeah
[45:34] one other technique that i've found to
[45:36] be helpful in certain situations is
[45:38] sometimes getting into the body
[45:41] because sometimes energy is just
[45:42] building and it needs to be expressed in
[45:46] some way so
[45:47] if you can actually and it's sometimes
[45:49] the last thing you want to do but if you
[45:50] can like dance you know put on some
[45:53] music and get yourself and the first
[45:55] little bit is usually going to be tough
[45:56] so i'll actually try to do some more
[45:59] like
[46:00] acrobatic you know kind of uh
[46:02] calisthenically
[46:04] focused dancing where it's like squat
[46:06] dancing you know where i'm like
[46:08] really actually because i've never
[46:10] been in this uncomfortable psychedelic
[46:12] experience where i broke a sweat and it
[46:14] was still uncomfortable
[46:16] right so like once you're in your body
[46:18] and moving it that way
[46:20] typically that will break whatever
[46:22] different kind of spell you're in at
[46:25] that point so that's just another
[46:27] technique that i think can be effective
[46:30] to apply it takes definitely some work
[46:32] but the moment that you start to break a
[46:34] sweat
[46:35] typically the experience is going to be
[46:37] like okay all right i'm good here and
[46:40] it's funny you say that because where
[46:41] attention goes energy flows right so if
[46:43] you start focusing on something else
[46:44] well your attention's dramatically going
[46:46] to leave what you're focusing on at that
[46:48] point and start entering the new place
[46:50] and you mentioned you know athletics and
[46:52] things like that and you know i was at a
[46:54] shindig one time with leo savage and he
[46:56] was sprinting like just absolutely
[46:58] sprinting and i asked him about it and
[46:59] he was like yeah that's what i do when i
[47:01] start feeling things come on that might
[47:02] be a little challenging is i just start
[47:04] sprinting and so here he is running
[47:06] around the house at full speed it was it
[47:08] was a pretty funny sight to be seen i'm
[47:10] surprised he doesn't grab his mace i
[47:12] know i should grab the mace after you
[47:14] know
[47:15] yeah leo savage is a steel mace wizard
[47:18] who uh who works out on it he's amazing
[47:20] um
[47:21] yeah and that's and that's a really good
[47:23] if you're at a festival or something
[47:24] like that like
[47:26] that's a really good before you check
[47:28] into the zendot try to at least like
[47:30] first break a sweat definitely like get
[47:32] in there get a sweat going and and
[47:35] that'll really help yeah you know it's
[47:37] funny you mentioned festivals because
[47:39] one of my most challenging experiences
[47:41] with cannabis that i don't think i've
[47:42] ever told before was at electric forest
[47:44] where we got there and i had all this
[47:46] neck tension it was right after my
[47:48] father passed away and just like really
[47:49] soon after he passed away i woke up one
[47:51] day and i just had this insane amount of
[47:53] neck tension and for some reason i was
[47:56] putting all of my focus around this neck
[47:58] tension
[47:59] and so for 16 hours for the drive there
[48:02] i was looking up individual muscles in
[48:04] my neck and trying to figure out which
[48:06] ones were tight yeah 0 out of 10 would
[48:08] not recommend doing that because one of
[48:10] the time i got there i was so
[48:11] upregulated and then i decided we were
[48:13] walking around the campground i was like
[48:15] oh let me smoke a joint
[48:16] and immediately i started feeling
[48:18] something strange happened where it
[48:20] seemed like dissociating a little bit
[48:22] where i was walking around but i just
[48:23] didn't feel like i was fully me i didn't
[48:25] feel like i was fully centered inside of
[48:26] me
[48:27] and so i continue smoking this joint
[48:29] and we get back to our camp and
[48:32] we sat inside of our gazebo and i
[48:35] started like feeling short of breath and
[48:37] so i look at one of my friends and i was
[48:39] like man i feel like i'm going to die
[48:40] and he was like yeah me too and then
[48:41] just goes back to talking right and so
[48:43] like he didn't like you know because
[48:44] again it's like i just said it he didn't
[48:46] know anything that was going on so i'm
[48:48] like well that was my one shot right so
[48:50] i'm like sitting there and every breath
[48:52] i take is only one memento yeah exactly
[48:54] exactly he's like yeah man props you
[48:56] know and i'm just like dude no like i'm
[48:58] really serious but like i had lost
[49:00] really
[49:03] and so like that was my last like the
[49:05] last words i could utter and so
[49:07] basically i went into a full-blown panic
[49:08] attack and so i kind of like stumbled
[49:11] into my tent and just it took me a
[49:12] little while to get my breath but what
[49:14] cannabis showed me and that was like hey
[49:16] this is the opportunity for you to be
[49:18] more self-aware before you dive in with
[49:20] me right just because you might be used
[49:22] to me and at that point i was
[49:23] interacting with it daily you know
[49:25] doesn't mean that i can't potentially
[49:27] show you something within you that might
[49:29] scare you right that might not be the
[49:30] thing you want to experience in a group
[49:32] of people at a music festival right so i
[49:34] think that like the music festival thing
[49:35] is a big thing that i love talking about
[49:37] because you know no judgment but i see
[49:39] some very interesting life decisions
[49:40] being made at music festivals you know
[49:42] sure sure and also like what you think
[49:45] you'll feel like oh i'm not really
[49:48] feeling that much but when you got
[49:50] [ __ ] waves of bass hitting you and
[49:53] lights flashing like you don't know what
[49:55] the [ __ ] you're feeling she has so much
[49:57] stimulus yeah that then when you go move
[50:00] on or if it's burning man you're on your
[50:01] bike and you're in the middle of the the
[50:03] dark playa and you're like
[50:05] oh [ __ ]
[50:07] the good thing about burning man is
[50:08] you're on a bike though so like that
[50:09] actual kinetic movement of your legs
[50:12] actually helps you yeah you know because
[50:14] then you're like that can get your like
[50:16] sweat going that can get your muscles
[50:18] pumping which typically helps another
[50:21] less intense because i feel that too if
[50:23] i have tension somewhere i mean i will
[50:25] just make love to a lacrosse ball on my
[50:27] back for like hours and it'll be like i
[50:30] feel like the most productive thing i've
[50:32] ever done in my life my number one
[50:33] travel tool yeah for sure so that's
[50:35] that's definitely there and the other
[50:38] thing i've i've noticed is
[50:40] if i haven't brushed my teeth
[50:42] i'll get so aware like god damn my teeth
[50:45] are [ __ ] filthy they're mad at me
[50:48] like jesus does anybody have a
[50:50] toothbrush
[50:52] that's willing to borrow anybody's
[50:53] toothbrush please
[50:55] i won't ask questions yeah
[50:57] yeah so it highlights a lot of things
[51:00] that are there that we don't notice some
[51:02] mild irritant will then become like a
[51:05] very large irritant
[51:07] yeah it's it's really fascinating and i
[51:08] think this is once again like the um the
[51:11] opportunity for people to understand
[51:13] more about these medicines because you
[51:15] know set and setting is huge right it's
[51:16] this thing that a lot of people know
[51:18] they can say yes set and setting is
[51:19] important but until you've realized it
[51:21] because knowing and realizing i think
[51:22] are two totally different things where
[51:24] knowing is a you know a summation of
[51:26] what information and education you have
[51:28] around something realization is when you
[51:30] actually have the direct experience
[51:31] yourself and i think in today's world
[51:33] there's a lot of knowledge but not
[51:34] enough applied knowledge and therefore
[51:36] direct experience and so like when you
[51:38] actually have the direct experience like
[51:39] we were talking about about set and
[51:40] setting actually like oh
[51:42] this is why that matters i think that
[51:44] really helps a lot and being able to
[51:45] give people that direct experience in
[51:46] their own household at first where they
[51:48] can experience different sides of
[51:50] cannabis or other plant medicines as
[51:52] well then they have more information
[51:53] moving forward when they go to a music
[51:55] festival to be able to use the sermon
[51:56] and saying i don't think right now is
[51:58] the right time you know and i think that
[52:00] that's for so many people what they
[52:01] don't think they're like oh all of my
[52:03] friends are having a great time i trust
[52:05] these people you know i don't think
[52:06] they're peer pressuring them in most
[52:08] cases like peer pressure was said in the
[52:09] dare program and things like that but
[52:11] you know they're like oh all my friends
[52:13] are having a good time why wouldn't i
[52:14] have a good time but they might like me
[52:16] in that situation have not really
[52:17] checked in and going i'm really
[52:19] upregulated right now and i'm really
[52:20] focused on some challenges within my
[52:22] physical body and i'm making those
[52:24] things into a story that it's really bad
[52:26] and so if i interact with say cannabis
[52:28] right now this could be an ordeal
[52:30] instead of an experience right that's a
[52:32] translation that you know we don't want
[52:34] to necessarily have to have but if we do
[52:36] have an ordeal instead of an experience
[52:38] we want to have the right set and
[52:39] setting in which to contain that yep
[52:41] one of the other challenges too is the
[52:44] measurement of dose so like
[52:47] so people people who are very cannabis
[52:49] familiar will you know they'll have a
[52:51] joint or a blunt and they'll just
[52:53] [ __ ] smoke that thing like and
[52:55] they'll watch me and they look really
[52:57] cool when they do it and i look like a
[52:58] robot you know like i pull it into my
[53:00] mouth like i would a cigar so i know
[53:02] it's just one mouthful of of of smoke
[53:06] and then i'll let it cool down a little
[53:08] bit in my mouth before i actually inhale
[53:11] and then i'll breathe in a full inhale
[53:13] of all that cool air so i'm not roasting
[53:15] my lungs and coughing a bunch but i'll
[53:17] do it in this very kind of mechanistic
[53:19] way and definitely all of the cannabis
[53:22] familiar people will be like what a dork
[53:25] and i'm like i get it i get it no i'm
[53:27] not i'm not the cool guy blowing this
[53:30] out of my nose blowing it half out
[53:31] sucking it back in
[53:33] [ __ ] no i'm not gandalf the weed
[53:35] smoker here i'm sorry everybody you know
[53:38] but i'll just be very measured with it
[53:39] and i think
[53:40] that was you know i don't know if people
[53:42] still do this it seems like it's gone
[53:44] out of favor but back you know
[53:46] in college and stuff like bongs were big
[53:50] you just
[53:51] have this whole tube of of smoke and you
[53:54] suck the whole thing down and clear it
[53:55] and it's like [ __ ] terrible idea i
[53:58] don't know how much how much is that how
[53:59] about what do you know it's brutal and
[54:01] also at the same time i've never seen
[54:03] people hit the floor uh quicker than
[54:06] when they're hitting bongs right
[54:07] especially gravity bongs remember people
[54:09] making those things in bathtubs back in
[54:10] the day with like you know a two liter
[54:12] bottle or whatever where they're
[54:13] essentially like sucking it down and
[54:15] they're taking this gigantic hit and
[54:17] like at the end of the day like that's
[54:18] also stressing your lungs it's stressing
[54:20] your throat and like you know it's
[54:22] cannabis will have a sympathetic brian's
[54:24] laughing he must have done this guilty
[54:26] in charge
[54:28] before guilty
[54:29] i tried it so other people don't have to
[54:31] you know and it's like so many people do
[54:33] this the same thing with concentrates
[54:34] too you know i was in las vegas
[54:37] and you know i was very used to
[54:39] interacting with concentrates at that
[54:40] point in my life because i was in the
[54:41] industry and i was interacting with hash
[54:43] all the time
[54:44] but i went to this dab bar and for some
[54:46] reason i don't know what i was doing but
[54:48] i decided to pick two sativa dabs right
[54:51] so i did these dabs and i literally
[54:53] didn't feel like i had legs anymore and
[54:54] so i didn't know at any point like i'm
[54:56] standing around all these people i'm
[54:57] like am i just going to hit the floor
[54:58] because like i knew i wasn't like so
[55:00] high that i thought i was going to hit
[55:02] the floor because i was out of control
[55:03] but i could not feel my legs and so i
[55:05] was like how do i know if my knees are
[55:06] going to buckle and so those kind of
[55:08] things are just like things that now i
[55:10] only use the volcano because for me i'm
[55:12] not looking once again now to get as
[55:14] high as possible i'm looking to get just
[55:16] beyond the threshold of normal
[55:17] consciousness so i can start to see
[55:19] what's just out of the way of me that
[55:21] then i can pick up the message for
[55:23] because when you integrate which i
[55:25] really think is not an optional thing if
[55:26] you want to interact with these
[55:28] substances as a medicine right which
[55:30] there's no judgment you can use them
[55:31] however you want but if you want them to
[55:32] be able to act as a teacher of medicine
[55:34] then you need to integrate that's where
[55:36] the real work is and so now
[55:38] because i've been able to integrate and
[55:40] actually like take the action like you
[55:41] were saying with your buddy who was the
[55:43] musician right like it's not just about
[55:44] praying right it's about praying and
[55:46] moving your feet as paul says right and
[55:48] so
[55:48] being able to do both of those where now
[55:50] i come out of the experience and i go
[55:52] okay the next week i'm going to be sober
[55:53] and i'm going to integrate this because
[55:54] that's how i interact with cannabis i
[55:56] only use it on weekends and that's
[55:57] specifically because what i've found is
[55:59] that with my pattern i've run in the
[56:01] past with unconscious use that's just
[56:03] what works for me and so for people
[56:04] listening i don't know if there's a
[56:06] right and wrong way to interact with
[56:08] cannabis or right or wrong amount this
[56:09] is just my personal way of doing it and
[56:11] it's also the way that hamilton suther
[56:12] and other shamans that work with this
[56:14] medicine speak about interacting with it
[56:16] they do that to preserve the
[56:17] transcendental and spiritual properties
[56:18] of it which is now my main intention
[56:20] with it so that's why i'm only
[56:22] interacting with it twice per week but
[56:23] now that i've been able to integrate and
[56:25] actually take the lessons and messages
[56:26] that cannabis is showing me and actually
[56:28] apply them to my life i don't need as
[56:30] much cannabis because my life is
[56:32] becoming a psychedelic experience right
[56:33] i'm not literally tripping and fractals
[56:35] are coming up but i'm experiencing the
[56:37] magic within these experiences and i
[56:38] imagine you've had the same thing right
[56:39] like sure that's the real beauty of what
[56:41] these medicines do is show you what's
[56:43] already possible in your life and that's
[56:45] i think why so many people get dependent
[56:47] on cannabis specifically because there's
[56:49] no guidance but also they're living in
[56:51] discomfort of some sort or they're
[56:52] curious
[56:54] they experience this new experience they
[56:55] go that felt better than my normal
[56:57] experience well what do i do to feel
[56:59] that all the time must need more of it
[57:01] and they miss the step of like no the
[57:02] real message of this plan like terence
[57:04] mckenna said is to get the message and
[57:06] hang up the phone for a little while and
[57:08] assimilate that and integrate it so then
[57:10] your life can start resembling the magic
[57:12] of these experiences yeah for sure
[57:14] yeah i remember you know for a while
[57:18] i had a buddy who was just again one of
[57:20] those like could not possibly have
[57:23] enough cannabis so he went from you know
[57:25] smoking joints to then smoking dabs to
[57:28] whatever glass and shatter and hash and
[57:30] all of this and he would he was so
[57:33] irresponsible with it and he would be
[57:35] doing it and whether he was encouraging
[57:37] it or other people were just seeing what
[57:38] he was doing
[57:39] they would try to do what he did
[57:41] and he could literally kill an entire
[57:44] after party
[57:46] all of the sudden everybody was dancing
[57:48] and having a good time and we're just
[57:50] all having a blast and then people are
[57:52] [ __ ] dropping like flies and i'm like
[57:54] bro stop
[57:56] just [ __ ] stop like we were having so
[57:58] much fun before you came in here with
[58:00] your [ __ ] super glass concentrate
[58:03] shatter hash like [ __ ] stop yeah like
[58:06] no
[58:07] you know and eventually just was like
[58:09] stopped inviting him like no done you're
[58:11] done you're not invited it's such a
[58:13] thing man you know where like i
[58:15] experienced a lot of the same things
[58:17] where at parties people are looking to
[58:18] smoke joints right off the bat and i'm
[58:20] like guys again no judgment just curious
[58:22] observation like what is your intention
[58:24] for this party do you want to be on the
[58:25] couch the whole time like it's one thing
[58:27] if you're going to interact with nitrous
[58:29] or something you're going to be on a
[58:30] couch but like cannabis is just going to
[58:31] put you on the couch because it's very
[58:32] relaxing in most cases right yes
[58:35] also it's gonna be about matt two
[58:36] minutes yeah and then you're gonna
[58:38] [ __ ] pop out yeah you know like well
[58:40] that was wild and i'm not just not
[58:42] saying to endorse nitrous for whatever
[58:44] reason but it's limited yeah it's not a
[58:46] party ender yeah cannabis is an end game
[58:51] you know it's it's powerful man like and
[58:53] i think a lot of people because they use
[58:55] it so frequently you know this is again
[58:57] the second setting thing this happened
[58:58] to me where i was interacting with it
[58:59] daily i was like oh i know this plant
[59:01] right i know it but i didn't know
[59:03] anything at that point because i didn't
[59:04] really know myself and as within so
[59:05] without right the hematic principles and
[59:07] lower correspondence if i don't really
[59:08] know who i am then how much am i going
[59:10] to be able to understand how who anyone
[59:12] is or any plant is or anything and i
[59:14] think that's where a lot of people get
[59:15] in trouble and it's the you know the
[59:16] thing with the hash too is it's so funny
[59:18] you know i see people that you know it's
[59:21] real there's no difference between how
[59:23] you interact with cannabis and alcohol
[59:24] tobacco etc like i think a lot of people
[59:27] especially in the industry glorify like
[59:29] oh i'm smoking all day and doing all
[59:30] these things i'm like guys you're
[59:31] numbing something out like in most cases
[59:33] like unless you're extremely experienced
[59:35] and i have met some individuals that
[59:37] have an extremely positive relationship
[59:39] with cannabis and use it frequently but
[59:41] in most cases these people are numbing
[59:43] things out and i know that from working
[59:44] with over 5000 of them that when i get a
[59:47] little bit under the surface and i'm
[59:48] like how are you doing they're like good
[59:49] and i'm like how are you really doing
[59:51] they're like shitty you know and i'm
[59:52] like okay so what's really going on here
[59:54] and i think that's another big
[59:55] distinction that i really want to bring
[59:57] to the surface with cannabis is that
[59:58] listen just because you know you might
[1:00:00] not get psycho i mean physically
[1:00:02] addicted to it there are opportunities
[1:00:04] for you to come to become dependent on
[1:00:05] this medicine yeah and it's because if
[1:00:07] you're living in discomfort and then
[1:00:09] you're interacting with a feminine
[1:00:10] medicine that can provide feelings of
[1:00:11] comfort and you continue externalizing
[1:00:13] your power onto that it's the same thing
[1:00:15] as being addicted to your mother right
[1:00:17] and being able to being afraid to leave
[1:00:18] the nest or any of these things yeah or
[1:00:20] you know coming home after a long day
[1:00:21] and having drinks right to forget about
[1:00:23] your day it's really the energy behind
[1:00:25] how you're doing it that makes it the
[1:00:26] relationship it is yeah absolutely
[1:00:29] so how do you do it how do you cultivate
[1:00:32] cannabis at the level that you're
[1:00:34] cultivating it because it seems magic
[1:00:36] what you're doing somehow your
[1:00:37] relationship with the spirit of cannabis
[1:00:40] that translates down to everything from
[1:00:43] the soil to the cultivation has to be
[1:00:45] significantly different than other
[1:00:48] ways in which people are doing it so
[1:00:50] what is what is the differentiation for
[1:00:52] what you do versus what is standard
[1:00:55] yeah i loved exploring this question
[1:00:56] because it's really i can break it down
[1:00:58] into uh quantifiable and qualitative
[1:01:00] measures and so
[1:01:01] with the more quantifiable side what i'm
[1:01:03] doing is i'm mixing my own soils so i'm
[1:01:05] getting everything organic omri listed
[1:01:08] and i'm i'm working with different
[1:01:10] amendments that are creating a specific
[1:01:14] base soil mix and then adding certain
[1:01:16] things into it to create a really
[1:01:18] healthy microbial community and then
[1:01:20] from there what i'm doing is i'm
[1:01:21] applying mulch layers and things that
[1:01:23] really mimic the forest floor and this
[1:01:25] is like regenerative agriculture no-till
[1:01:27] gardening these are terms that i use a
[1:01:29] lot and the other thing i'm adding is
[1:01:31] korean natural farming which you haven't
[1:01:33] dive in to dove into this yet it's
[1:01:34] fascinating it's essentially taking
[1:01:36] nature and making ferments out of it and
[1:01:38] the cornerstone of it is something
[1:01:40] called imo which stands for indigenous
[1:01:42] microorganisms and the analogy i use for
[1:01:44] this is it's really synonymous with stem
[1:01:46] cells but with nature so with stem cells
[1:01:49] they're taking them out of your hip
[1:01:50] they're applying them in a different
[1:01:51] area of your body with imo
[1:01:53] when you look into microbial supplements
[1:01:55] you can buy for plants right because you
[1:01:57] can buy max microbe mammoth p all of
[1:01:59] these things that can inoculate your
[1:02:01] soil with more microbes but the
[1:02:02] challenge is that those microbes are
[1:02:04] cultivated at a certain altitude in a
[1:02:06] certain place and so if say if you're in
[1:02:08] boston and you're getting microbes that
[1:02:10] were cultivated in california well a lot
[1:02:12] of them are going to die off and so a
[1:02:13] lot of times it's just a waste of money
[1:02:15] and effective when you're doing imo
[1:02:17] you're actually taking a small wooden
[1:02:19] box you're putting al dente rice into it
[1:02:22] you're putting a screen over the top
[1:02:23] you're putting it into nature at some
[1:02:25] place usually like a fallen tree where
[1:02:27] there's a lot of fungal activity and you
[1:02:29] can see this because when you dig down
[1:02:30] just a little bit in the soil you should
[1:02:32] be able to start finding these little
[1:02:33] white hyphae which are like little
[1:02:35] strands of fungus and so when you see
[1:02:37] that you're nestling the box into there
[1:02:39] and you're leaving it there for usually
[1:02:41] you know a week or two depending on the
[1:02:42] time of year and usually you put a
[1:02:44] couple different ones out when you go
[1:02:45] back hopefully that that hyphae is
[1:02:48] colonized that rice and so you'll have
[1:02:50] this white substance on there this this
[1:02:52] really mycelium and so
[1:02:54] what you're doing from there is then
[1:02:55] you're through a process of five steps
[1:02:58] you're taking that's im01 you're turning
[1:03:00] into imo 2 where you can buy them with
[1:03:01] brown sugar and then you're going
[1:03:03] through this process where you're
[1:03:04] combining it with compost and soil and
[1:03:06] actually grain first then compost and
[1:03:08] soil and so when you do that you're
[1:03:10] breeding these microbes that are
[1:03:12] indigenous to your area and then you
[1:03:14] take that and you apply it to your
[1:03:15] garden and so what you're doing is
[1:03:17] you're taking the stem cells that you
[1:03:18] just cultivated applying it to your
[1:03:20] garden and everything gets boosted
[1:03:22] because these microbes are what actually
[1:03:24] break down nutrients in the soil and
[1:03:26] make them and turn them from insoluble
[1:03:27] into soluble nutrients so the cool thing
[1:03:30] about organic growing as a composed with
[1:03:32] chemical salt growing is that with
[1:03:34] chemical salts essentially the belief
[1:03:35] system there is that we can figure out
[1:03:38] nature right it's not that hard we can
[1:03:39] figure it out good luck yeah exactly
[1:03:41] good luck and what we know about you
[1:03:43] know cannabis and other plants is that
[1:03:45] their root systems you know they're
[1:03:47] asking for different nutrients at like
[1:03:49] microsecond different levels where they
[1:03:51] might want calcium and the magnesium
[1:03:52] within a fraction of a second
[1:03:54] and it's really cool how the roots work
[1:03:56] because they're putting out these this
[1:03:58] exudate which is like this like sugary
[1:04:00] substance and essentially the microbes
[1:04:02] are coming to them and being like we
[1:04:03] want some of your exudation they're like
[1:04:04] well go get us calcium or magnesium or
[1:04:06] nitrogen or whatever and so it's kind of
[1:04:08] this flirting game right they're doing
[1:04:10] but at the end of the day if you're
[1:04:11] saying like oh with cannabis like yeah
[1:04:13] if you're in vegetative state you're
[1:04:14] just going to apply you know a nitrogen
[1:04:16] fertilizer and then in you know flour
[1:04:18] you're going to do potassium and
[1:04:19] phosphorus right well that's part of the
[1:04:21] equation right you can add a
[1:04:22] micronutrients but how do you know what
[1:04:24] that plant might have wanted that it's
[1:04:25] missing out on so when you give it an
[1:04:28] organic setup you're giving it a buffet
[1:04:29] and you're allowing it to just pick what
[1:04:31] it wants and so it allows the plant to
[1:04:33] be much more conducive to being able to
[1:04:35] be like okay i have what i need and what
[1:04:37] i imagine is that there's a safety there
[1:04:39] with the plant because plants are
[1:04:40] sentient right like if they have what
[1:04:41] they need they're going to be able to
[1:04:43] express themselves more like the salsa
[1:04:44] dance analogy once again and then the
[1:04:46] final step that i'm throwing in there
[1:04:48] is biogeometry and i don't know of any
[1:04:50] other cannabis grower that's doing this
[1:04:52] i know of one hemp farmer in sweden i
[1:04:54] learned it through biogeometry and i
[1:04:55] took the foundations course of course
[1:04:57] they didn't know what i did with
[1:04:58] cannabis and everything but
[1:05:00] you know they mentioned oh yeah and
[1:05:01] there's this hemp farmer in sweden and
[1:05:03] i'm like perking up i'm like what are
[1:05:05] they about to talk about and they're
[1:05:06] like yeah he's taking this certain shape
[1:05:08] putting around his stocks and his yields
[1:05:09] are tripling and i'm like can you repeat
[1:05:11] that right and so immediately i was like
[1:05:13] i'm gonna try that out
[1:05:14] and so i applied these different uh bio
[1:05:17] geometry techniques to my room and what
[1:05:19] i realized was not only did my yield
[1:05:21] increase but the quality was
[1:05:22] unbelievable and it felt as though
[1:05:25] when i when i put biogeometry in my
[1:05:27] house just in general it felt like i
[1:05:28] could take a sigh of relief and so i'm
[1:05:30] imagining
[1:05:31] that the plants can do so as well
[1:05:32] because just like humans with our
[1:05:34] biofield we have interference with emfs
[1:05:37] and all of these things and especially
[1:05:38] with grow lights and all this stuff
[1:05:39] there's just a lot of interference that
[1:05:41] we might not be able to hear but it
[1:05:42] doesn't mean it's not there and so with
[1:05:44] plants they feel the same way and so
[1:05:46] what i felt and from the energy of my
[1:05:48] room when i went in there is that they
[1:05:50] were able to take that sigh of relief
[1:05:51] too and go okay we're just gonna do what
[1:05:53] we're meant to do like they actually
[1:05:55] want you to do less right like they know
[1:05:57] what they need to do but the more that
[1:05:59] we have to be involved in the process in
[1:06:01] my experience the more that we're really
[1:06:02] just doing ourselves a disservice and
[1:06:04] the plan of the service because the
[1:06:05] plant and nature is going to be smarter
[1:06:07] at doing what it needs to do than we are
[1:06:09] and i think that's one of the common
[1:06:10] misbeliefs that i see a lot in the
[1:06:12] industry not to mention
[1:06:14] that there's this whole other
[1:06:15] qualitative side where
[1:06:17] i've done a lot of work on myself with
[1:06:19] medicines and also with self-development
[1:06:20] as well where now my energy has changed
[1:06:23] as well and i think that's a huge part
[1:06:24] of the equation and why i'm so like
[1:06:26] pumped up to make the next course we're
[1:06:28] making grow with cannabis because it's
[1:06:30] not just about how to grow cannabis it's
[1:06:32] growing with cannabis because i really
[1:06:35] feel this plant can help us grow but
[1:06:37] again it's not just up to the plant it's
[1:06:39] not a given it's not the plant's
[1:06:40] responsibility to do the work for us and
[1:06:43] so a big part of the program is how do
[1:06:44] you ensure that your energy is in the
[1:06:46] proper state before you walk into your
[1:06:48] cultivation facility or your cultivation
[1:06:50] room or your grow tent etc because i
[1:06:53] know from working in the industry most
[1:06:55] these growers are showing up either
[1:06:56] still drunk from the night before not
[1:06:58] making enough money working for a
[1:07:00] company that's soulless in nature that
[1:07:01] only cares about how cheap they can grow
[1:07:03] it and how much money they can make and
[1:07:05] so that energy really comes off and
[1:07:06] hamilton talks about this too where when
[1:07:08] you're interacting with any plant
[1:07:10] medicine but especially cannabis
[1:07:12] you are interacting with a level of
[1:07:13] consciousness of the grower who
[1:07:15] cultivated that medicine and so that's
[1:07:17] another huge component as to why people
[1:07:19] experience anxiety paranoia etc because
[1:07:22] it could be just left over from what
[1:07:23] that person was feeling when they
[1:07:25] cultivated the medicine and so there's
[1:07:26] this whole other realm that's harder to
[1:07:28] measure and so that's why i always start
[1:07:30] out with a more quantifiable and
[1:07:31] scientific way because i know science is
[1:07:33] a big thing these days but there is this
[1:07:35] whole other side that really is just
[1:07:36] science that's yet to be discovered it
[1:07:38] was what i truly believe but it is worth
[1:07:40] talking about because it's one of the
[1:07:42] things that is really hard to control
[1:07:43] right now even though cannabis is legal
[1:07:45] in most places or at least medical or
[1:07:47] decriminalized you really can't
[1:07:49] understand or figure out how to get the
[1:07:51] right medicine with the right energy
[1:07:53] unless you're cultivating yourself and
[1:07:55] the yaqui indians you know that don juan
[1:07:57] talks about they understood this when
[1:07:59] you read don juan's books they're like
[1:08:01] you have to grow it yourself right and
[1:08:02] they weren't necessarily working with
[1:08:03] cannabis but when i read that it really
[1:08:05] resonated with me because i was like
[1:08:07] this is what i've experienced and i
[1:08:08] hadn't heard it anywhere else until then
[1:08:10] now i've heard it in a bunch of
[1:08:11] different places but you know being able
[1:08:13] to cultivate your own medicine i think
[1:08:15] is the best way to be able to have a
[1:08:17] constructive co-creative relationship
[1:08:19] with this plant because it takes love it
[1:08:21] takes compassion it takes patience it
[1:08:22] takes a lot of the highest states of
[1:08:24] awareness that a human being seeks to
[1:08:26] enter to be able to interact with
[1:08:28] cannabis and cultivate in such a way and
[1:08:30] you're going to be able to notice that
[1:08:31] that final product if like your energy
[1:08:33] was off and so i love talking about that
[1:08:35] side of it as well
[1:08:37] yeah i think it can't be overstated how
[1:08:41] hubristic it is how cocky it is when
[1:08:45] humans think that we can understand
[1:08:48] nature and that's that could be soil
[1:08:51] that could be a plant that could be an
[1:08:53] ecosystem that could be the human body
[1:08:56] and then
[1:08:57] even more so people think they can
[1:08:59] understand how to manage all of those
[1:09:02] different things through their own
[1:09:04] top-down control mechanisms and i think
[1:09:07] it's like get the [ __ ] out of here like
[1:09:10] you're not god yeah you're not because
[1:09:13] god is every different perspective
[1:09:16] and that's what all of these things are
[1:09:19] every perspective of the
[1:09:20] plant kingdom the mineral kingdom the
[1:09:23] animal kingdom the human kingdom all of
[1:09:25] these different things interacting
[1:09:27] and there's what's needed is just kind
[1:09:30] of a bow of reverence like
[1:09:32] deep respect i can understand a little
[1:09:34] bit but i trust you i trust you that
[1:09:36] you're far more intelligent than i can
[1:09:38] ever be because you're comprised of so
[1:09:40] many more perspectives than i have
[1:09:43] absolutely you know it's one of the
[1:09:45] mantras i say when i'm interacting with
[1:09:46] any plant medicine is show me help me
[1:09:48] teach me because what i recognize is
[1:09:50] that i wouldn't be interacting with this
[1:09:52] plant if i didn't if i wasn't curious
[1:09:54] about something if i wasn't searching
[1:09:55] for something and so to the degree that
[1:09:58] i can empty myself before entering my
[1:09:59] room or before interacting with cannabis
[1:10:01] or any other medicine is the degree to
[1:10:03] which i'm able to actually receive
[1:10:05] messages from the plant but you know i
[1:10:07] always say that you know when i'm
[1:10:09] looking to interact with you know
[1:10:11] cannabis around some people or i'm
[1:10:12] facilitating a session for some people
[1:10:14] and they mentioned they're a little
[1:10:15] nervous i'm like that's a good thing
[1:10:17] right like you want to have a healthy
[1:10:19] amount of i wouldn't say fear but like
[1:10:21] you know nervousness around these
[1:10:22] medicines the people that really scare
[1:10:24] me the people that are like dude i'm
[1:10:26] fine just give me it i'm like
[1:10:28] that's the person that i don't want to
[1:10:29] have to play you know ketchup with if
[1:10:31] they have a really challenging
[1:10:32] experience and so that's one of the
[1:10:33] things that i think with nature and all
[1:10:35] of these things is realizing humbling
[1:10:36] ourselves and realizing that we're never
[1:10:38] going to really understand those things
[1:10:40] but we can respect them and then ask
[1:10:42] them to be like hey we know we're never
[1:10:44] going to be in your world but can you
[1:10:45] show us a little bit of it you know
[1:10:47] that's where i've gotten some really
[1:10:48] cool lessons from yeah for sure
[1:10:50] so people listening obviously there's a
[1:10:53] lot of people are going to want to try
[1:10:54] and experience your medicine and the way
[1:10:56] that the laws are very few people are
[1:10:57] actually going to be able to do it so
[1:11:00] tell us
[1:11:01] if that is possible you know how that
[1:11:04] could be possible and then for also the
[1:11:07] resources you mentioned a lot of
[1:11:08] different resources you're working on
[1:11:09] where can people find all that
[1:11:11] so right now there's no way for me to
[1:11:14] get my medicine into people's hands
[1:11:16] if you happen to be around me at a check
[1:11:18] workshop or when i'm coming out i'd be
[1:11:20] more than happy to interact with it with
[1:11:22] you and give you some experiences but
[1:11:24] what i really seek to do is to teach
[1:11:26] people through the two courses i have
[1:11:28] both how to connect with the medicine
[1:11:29] and connect with themselves deeper
[1:11:31] through connect with cannabis that's the
[1:11:32] first course and then how to cultivate
[1:11:34] their own medicine because being able to
[1:11:37] say put the seed in your mouth before
[1:11:39] you plant it and inoculate it with your
[1:11:40] own microbiome i mean it
[1:11:43] leads to this amazing experience this
[1:11:45] co-creative relationship that i feel is
[1:11:46] so powerful and so for anyone looking to
[1:11:49] uh get into either one of those courses
[1:11:51] you can find me on instagram at the
[1:11:53] railryan sprague s-p-r-a-g-u-e is my
[1:11:56] last name or on the business account at
[1:11:58] highly.optimize where we're giving out
[1:11:59] constant free tips things like that we
[1:12:01] also have a free facebook group where
[1:12:03] you can hop in we do plenty of webinars
[1:12:05] we do fun stuff in there you can hop in
[1:12:07] we do a lot of really off-the-cuff
[1:12:08] question and a question and answer type
[1:12:10] things and so those are the best places
[1:12:12] to get in touch with me but what i would
[1:12:13] say is that you know for anyone who is
[1:12:16] currently interacting with cannabis and
[1:12:17] maybe you don't know where your stuff is
[1:12:19] grown and you don't know who grow it and
[1:12:21] grew it but you have it and you're
[1:12:22] really interested in trying this out
[1:12:24] one of the things that i always suggest
[1:12:26] is that very similar to how if a dog has
[1:12:30] been in a really challenged environment
[1:12:31] that dog might be kind of standoffish to
[1:12:33] you even if you're a really nice person
[1:12:35] but after a while if that dog learns to
[1:12:37] trust you it'll be able to warm up to
[1:12:39] you even if it had a really challenged
[1:12:40] upbringing and so with cannabis you
[1:12:42] might not know how it was grown you
[1:12:44] might not know who grew it but if you
[1:12:45] could if you can really hold that
[1:12:47] medicine and speak to it and say hey i
[1:12:49] promise to hold your reverence and i
[1:12:51] promise to show you my love right in
[1:12:53] this experience i found that to be a
[1:12:55] really good way to not fully remediate
[1:12:57] but at least take a big step forward in
[1:12:59] being able to remediate what that
[1:13:01] medicine might have in it whose energy
[1:13:02] they might have in it how that was grown
[1:13:04] under what lights etc and so that would
[1:13:06] be a great place to start with if
[1:13:07] someone's like i really want to
[1:13:08] experience this with that kind of
[1:13:10] medicine you can be able to speak to
[1:13:12] this medicine in my experience and shift
[1:13:14] a little bit of that energy just by
[1:13:15] showing it like i know your true power
[1:13:17] and i promise to not just use you i
[1:13:19] promise to connect with you instead
[1:13:21] because that language switch is big in
[1:13:22] my experience yep yep and i just want to
[1:13:25] mention that you know for people in
[1:13:27] states that it's available uh a good
[1:13:29] source for ketamine if you're interested
[1:13:31] in exploring this and again this is not
[1:13:32] a recommendation you know go through the
[1:13:34] intake speak to the medical
[1:13:36] professionals that they have there but
[1:13:38] wonder sciences wonder med
[1:13:40] is the company that i work with
[1:13:43] to get really good ketamine lozenges
[1:13:46] that you can experience this and and you
[1:13:48] know treat this like like your church
[1:13:50] you know like like real sacrament and
[1:13:53] that's where you're going to get the
[1:13:54] real value out of it
[1:13:55] i met a guy recently who
[1:13:57] what he does is every sunday he'll sit
[1:13:59] with cannabis and just ask it show me
[1:14:01] what i'm ready to see right now and
[1:14:03] he'll just have a whiteboard and he'll
[1:14:04] write things out and he's like that is
[1:14:05] my church every sunday so it's funny you
[1:14:07] mentioned that yeah for sure well this
[1:14:09] is a real pleasure brother absolutely
[1:14:11] man thank you for having me on
[1:14:12] absolutely absolutely uh so much love
[1:14:15] for everybody tuning in again hopefully
[1:14:17] this information was helpful and it is
[1:14:18] not a recommendation or a cart blanche
[1:14:20] obviously hopefully we put enough
[1:14:21] caveats in here and i always want to
[1:14:23] emphasize that
[1:14:24] but it can be a really powerful tool
[1:14:26] when used in the right way so thanks for
[1:14:28] sharing the right energy and the right
[1:14:30] information about this incredibly
[1:14:32] powerful teacher thank you absolutely
[1:14:34] much love everybody peace love
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