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[0:01] hello and thank you for joining us my
[0:05] name is Travis newbell I live and work
[0:07] here at Shambhala Mountain Center
[0:09] we are really excited to be hosting
[0:12] wisdom rising and exploration of the
[0:15] divine feminine in Buddhism which will
[0:18] be a four-day Festival five days a
[0:23] September 25th through the 29th of this
[0:27] year 2015 and we're going to have
[0:30] several really wonderful powerful female
[0:35] Buddhist teachers leading that Retreat
[0:38] including llama sultram aleone
[0:41] who I'm very privileged to have on the
[0:44] line today for some conversation related
[0:47] to the topic of the retreat
[0:50] in case you're not familiar Lamas is a
[0:53] former none in the Tibetan Buddhist
[0:55] tradition one of the first Western
[0:57] Buddhist teachers she's known as a
[0:59] profound and Lucid teacher who
[1:01] skillfully combines both psychological
[1:03] and
[1:05] spiritual insights type internationally
[1:07] since 1982 she is the founder of Terra
[1:10] mandala and international advisoryana
[1:12] Buddhist community based in Pagosa
[1:14] Springs Colorado where I believe she's
[1:16] joining us from today and she's also an
[1:19] author of titles such as women of wisdom
[1:23] and feeding your demons ancient wisdom
[1:26] for resolving inner conflict so Lama
[1:28] thank you so much for taking the time to
[1:30] join us today and have some discussion
[1:33] it's an honor to be here with you
[1:36] my pleasure
[1:39] so I thought we might begin our
[1:42] conversation by exploring
[1:45] um
[1:46] you know what is the uh what the is the
[1:50] topic of wisdom rising and also just uh
[1:53] uh some of the important but being not
[1:58] so well understood or uh a topic that I
[2:03] think a lot of people are curious about
[2:04] which is the topic of the divine
[2:07] feminine in Buddhism so I wonder if you
[2:09] may share what your understanding of
[2:12] what that might mean is and how we might
[2:15] relate to that
[2:16] okay
[2:19] well maybe I'll begin with the title
[2:22] wisdom Rising reawaken the sacred
[2:24] feminine
[2:26] and then we can talk a little more
[2:28] directly about the divine feminine and
[2:30] what it is
[2:34] so the title of the conference wisdom
[2:36] Rising reawaken the sacred feminine
[2:41] has to do with a movement that's really
[2:45] happening
[2:46] all over the world it's happening within
[2:49] Buddhism but not only within Buddhism
[2:52] and I've been working with Eve ensler
[2:55] the author of The Vagina Monologues and
[2:59] various other plays and she's very
[3:01] active in terms of the feminine
[3:04] uh with this
[3:07] idea of wisdom Rising reawaken the
[3:10] sacred feminine
[3:11] because our world is out of balance and
[3:15] we know that
[3:16] we know that ecologically we're out of
[3:19] balance our lives are out of balance
[3:22] and
[3:25] not everyone recognizes that gender
[3:28] inequality
[3:30] is a big part of why we're out of
[3:33] balance and I think particularly in a
[3:36] sort of more liberated Western context
[3:38] we don't realize how much of the world
[3:41] is really out of balance and
[3:44] so when it says
[3:47] re-awaken the sacred feminine that means
[3:50] that the sacred feminine at one time was
[3:53] awake
[3:54] and in fact it was and in terms of
[3:57] Adriana Buddhism
[3:59] the tantric period which began around
[4:02] 700
[4:04] and in India ran to around 1200 was
[4:08] really within the Buddhist tradition the
[4:12] time when the feminine really entered
[4:15] Buddhism
[4:17] it had entered to some extent during the
[4:20] Mahayana period with prashna paramita
[4:22] who was considered to be
[4:25] feminine
[4:27] although really pressure parameter of
[4:30] course is without gender because it is
[4:33] wisdom but she was identified as
[4:37] feminine and also she was identified as
[4:42] having
[4:43] wisdom capacity and so that began in the
[4:48] Mahayana period
[4:50] and then in the vagiana period it
[4:56] developed a lot more
[4:57] and we started to see female Buddhas
[5:01] um
[5:01] we started to see dakinis
[5:05] um female
[5:06] deities such as Tara and baji yogini Sim
[5:11] hamuka and so on and that
[5:15] presence of the feminine in Buddhism
[5:19] brought a lot of other things some of
[5:23] which were
[5:25] dance poetry sacred sexuality
[5:30] working with transforming rather than
[5:35] repressing the five poisons and so on
[5:38] and so within within Buddhism we
[5:41] actually have this
[5:43] and so we need to
[5:48] reawaken it and so part of what wisdom
[5:51] Rising will be doing
[5:53] is
[5:54] working with that idea although
[5:59] uh the sacred feminine has continued to
[6:03] be present within bajriana Buddhism
[6:06] once it went to Tibet it went into a
[6:10] very patriarchal culture and structure
[6:14] and so these huge male monastic
[6:18] institutions
[6:20] and pretty much all of the teachers were
[6:23] male
[6:24] you know if if I say that people say oh
[6:28] no no what about yeshuisokyo unless you
[6:30] Clapton and you know and then at the end
[6:32] of the fifth finger they run out
[6:36] you know who these women teachers were
[6:40] and so
[6:43] kind of interesting because the there's
[6:45] the theory of the
[6:48] um
[6:50] Union of masculine and feminine uh level
[6:54] of equality you see it in the images
[6:58] um tonkers and so on but in actuality
[7:01] sociologically it was not present and it
[7:06] it hasn't been present in Buddhism as it
[7:09] has come to the West either
[7:11] so
[7:13] uh
[7:16] yes you know I mean it has changed in
[7:19] the west that certainly there's
[7:22] many Western Buddhist teachers now who
[7:25] are women
[7:27] um and and also men who are supportive
[7:30] of the Sacred feminine within uh Western
[7:33] Buddhist teachers
[7:34] but there's still a long way to go and
[7:37] so the conference will be
[7:39] exploring
[7:42] what that means
[7:44] and so then your other question was what
[7:48] is the divine feminine what do you mean
[7:49] by that
[7:52] you know it's funny because
[7:54] when I wrote women of wisdom I wrote a
[7:57] piece on the dakini principle
[8:00] and
[8:03] one of the qualities of the dakini is
[8:09] being ineffable
[8:11] and so
[8:17] the to try to speak
[8:20] about the sacred feminine
[8:24] is beyond words and so whenever I'm
[8:28] asked to say well what do you mean by
[8:30] the divine feminine there's this kind of
[8:32] blank
[8:33] space and in a sense that's really what
[8:37] it is it's this the kind of openness
[8:40] uh openness with presence
[8:43] and we we find that in Project
[8:47] already that uh she is
[8:52] ineffable inconceivable and
[8:56] unexplainable which that that's that's
[8:58] those are the epitots that are
[9:01] follow uh president paramita in the
[9:05] beginning of the heart Sutra
[9:08] however even though she is ineffable we
[9:13] can try to talk about her
[9:16] so one of the things you find with the
[9:19] sacred feminine is
[9:22] a
[9:24] a sense of the
[9:26] preciousness
[9:28] and the sacredness of embodiment
[9:33] religions that are oriented toward the
[9:37] male toward male figures and
[9:41] um
[9:42] the Divine masculine and God and so on
[9:46] have a tendency to
[9:49] sacralize
[9:52] a
[9:54] spiritual presence
[9:57] which is
[10:00] not embodied it's up and out it's
[10:03] somewhere else
[10:05] and nature and women have been
[10:08] considered
[10:09] to be not only not part of that but in
[10:14] many cases obstacles
[10:17] to to reach that sort of up there and
[10:21] out there spiritual State and in fact
[10:24] the Buddha himself uh was
[10:28] um somewhat that way in the sense that
[10:31] his teaching was how do we get out of
[10:35] this mess cessation is the definition of
[10:41] Nirvana cessation of suffering and so
[10:45] even within Buddhism there can be that
[10:48] tendency to see embodiment and what we
[10:52] call samsara as the problem
[10:56] whereas whenever there's presence of the
[10:59] Sacred feminine which happened in the
[11:01] tantric period and in Buddhism
[11:04] there is a sacralization of embodiment
[11:09] and that's why in vagina we have sacred
[11:12] sexuality also because the body the
[11:17] senses and so on are seen to be vehicles
[11:21] for Liberation rather than something
[11:24] that you need to get Beyond and sort of
[11:26] leave this body and get into the Divine
[11:30] somehow
[11:32] and so that's one of the things that you
[11:34] find within the sacred feminine or the
[11:37] divine feminine in pretty much anywhere
[11:39] you find it you find a sacralization of
[11:43] life
[11:45] and so life is not a problem that you
[11:49] need to get out of
[11:51] into some other kind of freedom but
[11:53] really something to enter more fully
[11:56] into
[11:57] in order
[11:59] to reach the sacred
[12:03] so that's one of the aspects of the
[12:05] Sacred feminine another is a sense of
[12:08] connectedness
[12:10] and you know in in Buddhism we tend to
[12:13] um
[12:15] talk about how attachment is bad
[12:19] attachment is the problem
[12:21] it's the second Noble Truth right
[12:24] however
[12:27] when you have the presence of the
[12:28] feminine you have a
[12:32] valuing of connectedness of relationship
[12:38] relationship is also sacred and
[12:41] so that's kind of an interesting
[12:44] difference and it's something I think is
[12:46] that's really interesting to explore
[12:48] what's the difference between attachment
[12:52] grasping and craving and connectedness
[12:56] appreciation of
[12:59] relationship and not only between humans
[13:03] but between humans and animals and
[13:06] humans and nature
[13:09] so pretty much universally around the
[13:13] world when uh
[13:15] when the masculine has dominated
[13:18] religion there has been a
[13:21] degradation of nature
[13:25] and so
[13:27] we have that we're living with the
[13:30] results of that we're living with the
[13:33] Christian idea that this all this is
[13:37] here for man to use
[13:39] you know we we call it the environment
[13:43] uh as though it was something like
[13:46] there's the main thing which is humans
[13:47] and then there's the environment or we
[13:50] call the minerals and so on resources
[13:53] like like they're there for us to use
[13:56] and abuse as we like and women were
[13:59] treated in the same way
[14:01] the fate of women and the fate of nature
[14:03] historically has has gone together
[14:07] so in order to come into wholeness as uh
[14:13] a human race
[14:15] we need to reactivate that half that has
[14:20] been in some sense deactivated
[14:22] disempowered
[14:25] and not value and so
[14:31] the within Buddhism that would be a
[14:37] um a more tantric view actually probably
[14:41] in the sense of the valuing of skillful
[14:46] means and wisdom
[14:48] and also as you may know in in vagiana
[14:51] the 14th downfall of the fajriana
[14:55] practitioner is to degrade women in any
[14:58] way and to not see women as the
[15:02] embodiment of wisdom
[15:05] and so those are some of the things that
[15:09] we will look at and explore
[15:12] in the conference
[15:15] [Music]
[15:16] and so what you're describing is uh
[15:21] this is a huge shift that I think a lot
[15:23] of people
[15:24] intuitively long for people of all uh
[15:28] across the span of of gender identities
[15:32] and everything and
[15:34] um whether you're talking about the
[15:36] conferences that it's a step in it's
[15:39] starting to
[15:40] um uh maybe dig our feet in a little to
[15:44] create this shift I wonder if there's
[15:47] anything else that you may say about
[15:49] um how
[15:51] uh you know individually or as
[15:54] communities
[15:55] um uh what can we do to bring about this
[15:59] shift in a daily way or in a more uh in
[16:04] bigger systemic ways or
[16:07] like what do we do
[16:11] yeah well there's
[16:14] there's a variety of different
[16:17] ways and skillful means in order to do
[16:22] this
[16:23] one of the ways is to
[16:29] experience interconnectedness
[16:33] to not treat the world as something that
[16:37] we need to get out of
[16:39] to not see our spiritual path as an
[16:43] escape route
[16:44] but instead to see it as a way to enter
[16:48] more deeply into a sacred relationship
[16:51] with each other and with our world
[16:55] and
[16:57] within rajyana we have female deities
[17:02] so practicing men and women both
[17:06] practice let's say Tara practice
[17:10] it's one of the principal practices of
[17:13] telling us a Dalai Lama
[17:14] and So within bajriana when you activate
[17:19] I guess you could say at some level in
[17:21] archetype
[17:23] a female archetype within your own
[17:25] psyche like body yogini or
[17:29] Tara
[17:31] another female deity that is you know
[17:34] that's a way to
[17:36] embody because you visualize yourself as
[17:39] that deity in most practices or in some
[17:43] is in front of you but in most practices
[17:46] let's say you are so that will naturally
[17:51] bring forth the sacred feminine in the
[17:54] psyche of that person
[17:56] and if you're doing a practice like that
[17:59] let's say at least an hour a day maybe
[18:01] hours a day that that brings that
[18:05] sort of inner anima figure
[18:09] that activates that within
[18:11] um
[18:12] men and women equally
[18:16] so that's one way another way is to
[18:21] treat your life as sacred that the
[18:24] objects around you are sacred that the
[18:28] events uh in life such as the seasons of
[18:31] the year
[18:33] um
[18:35] holidays and so on that those
[18:38] are times when we enter
[18:41] a deeper relationship
[18:44] with our world
[18:45] and so to Mark those changes let's say
[18:50] in in equinoxes solstices the lunar
[18:53] cycle
[18:55] um
[18:56] within my family for example we we've
[18:59] sort of re-sacralized holidays that
[19:04] I know
[19:06] in our world and generally As Americans
[19:08] we we have these we have holidays but
[19:12] we don't enter them as sacred events for
[19:16] example
[19:17] Thanksgiving
[19:20] is basically seen as an eating holiday
[19:22] where you just
[19:25] over e
[19:27] watch with Paul you know
[19:30] um
[19:32] and so for example in my family we
[19:37] we focus on gratitude on that day
[19:40] and we do a gratitude Circle
[19:43] within the family and talk about what
[19:46] we're grateful for
[19:47] and then whatever we're eating really
[19:49] try to
[19:51] connect to all those
[19:53] beings that were part of
[19:56] creating whatever
[19:58] we're eating and so
[20:02] taking just things that we normally do
[20:08] um like a holiday like that or getting
[20:11] up in the morning
[20:14] um just life
[20:16] to to to consider that as sacred and not
[20:19] think okay now I'm gonna go practice
[20:22] and uh
[20:24] and that's the sacred part and then I'll
[20:26] get back I'll be back up to normal soon
[20:30] um
[20:31] so
[20:35] the other thing about uh the feminine in
[20:38] Buddhism is its relationship to space
[20:43] talked about this he he said the
[20:45] feminine principle is like putting
[20:47] makeup on space
[20:50] and um so the space element is
[20:56] a great mother
[20:58] in Buddhism and so it is she is
[21:02] emptiness itself
[21:04] which is the ground of being
[21:07] in varyana we
[21:10] we call her samantavadri
[21:15] and so then
[21:18] the masculine at that level is the
[21:22] recognition
[21:24] of that ground of being
[21:26] when awareness turns and recognizes its
[21:30] own source
[21:32] which is the ground of being which is
[21:34] emptiness
[21:35] when that cognizance recognizes
[21:38] emptiness that's the union of masculine
[21:41] and feminine or Samantha padra and
[21:44] Samantha Padre
[21:46] in that Union is Awakening
[21:52] is it is Liberation and that's why they
[21:54] are a symbol Samantha bhadra and
[21:56] Samantha badri in Union
[21:59] are representing the primordial mind
[22:04] or liberated by Morty online
[22:08] and so that that quality of space
[22:13] which is all pervasive
[22:16] is something that we can develop a
[22:19] relationship with to
[22:21] to be comfortable
[22:23] with emptiness
[22:25] which is not so easy really
[22:28] and to and to learn to not only be
[22:31] comfortable but be able to rest in it
[22:34] to relax and to into that
[22:38] ineffable vast open empty
[22:43] yet cognizant space
[22:46] and so that's also part of
[22:50] the sacred feminine
[22:52] in Buddhism
[22:54] another aspect is the dakini principle
[22:59] which uh trombucha also
[23:02] spoke about and I wrote a piece in women
[23:05] of wisdom my first book
[23:08] where I quote him
[23:10] saying
[23:13] the dakini
[23:15] plays with you she plays with your life
[23:19] and she pulls the rug out from under you
[23:24] you may have I've heard that or seen
[23:26] that
[23:27] so the dakini principle
[23:30] is another aspect of the feminine that
[23:33] leads to
[23:36] Awakening but often in a more playful
[23:39] way
[23:40] or she acts as almost like a spiritual
[23:44] midwife
[23:47] and the dakini will appear
[23:50] at transitional moments in your life
[23:54] and usually push you to the next level
[23:58] not always in a comfortable way not
[24:01] always in the way that you would like it
[24:03] to happen
[24:04] um but she'll come in and
[24:07] um
[24:08] poke prod pull the rug out and then open
[24:12] you
[24:15] to emptiness and then push you to the
[24:19] next level of recognition
[24:22] so there's lots of levels also at the
[24:24] dakini principle and hubby we don't have
[24:26] time to talk about that here but it is
[24:29] something very interesting and quite
[24:31] unique
[24:32] uh in vagina Buddhism and
[24:37] we'll be talking about her at the
[24:39] conference for sure
[24:44] definitely I think clear to myself and
[24:47] anyone who maybe tuned into this just
[24:50] uh
[24:52] how Grand and vast of a topic this is
[24:56] and how you know any piece of it could
[24:58] be
[24:59] easily opened up into a a five-day
[25:02] retreat
[25:04] um and how there are ways in the
[25:07] tradition of really going deep into it
[25:09] such as some of the practices you
[25:12] mentioned
[25:14] um for now I wonder if there's any uh
[25:17] contemplation or short guided meditation
[25:20] that you made lead us in didn't they
[25:22] allow us to uh to touch in with what
[25:26] you've been describing this ineffable
[25:30] um you get cognizant or vast empty
[25:34] um
[25:35] sacred feminine quality
[25:45] well there's right and different things
[25:48] that we could do
[25:54] I think maybe we could just do a short
[25:57] um Tara practice
[26:00] uh Tara is a deity that doesn't require
[26:03] retirement
[26:05] she's considered to be very accessible
[26:08] and
[26:10] um
[26:11] and Powerful
[26:12] so
[26:14] maybe we could do a short
[26:16] visualization of ourselves as Tara and
[26:20] feeling that divine feminine in her own
[26:23] body
[26:24] and then
[26:26] get a little better for me yeah
[26:30] yes please
[26:34] okay so
[26:36] if you're sitting
[26:38] in a quiet place where you're able to
[26:40] meditate
[26:42] then you might Begin by closing your
[26:44] eyes and
[26:47] imagining that your own body
[26:52] becomes a female body
[26:56] and this female body is made of light
[27:00] green
[27:03] and so it's not a normal body with
[27:08] intestines in the heart and so on it's a
[27:11] luminous green body
[27:13] and your
[27:16] energy
[27:17] is an energy of compassion
[27:21] and that compassion is radiating out
[27:25] from your body
[27:27] as green light
[27:32] you have your
[27:34] right foot extended so you're stepping
[27:37] down into the world to benefit beings
[27:41] and your left hand is held at your heart
[27:44] and it's called the mudra of the three
[27:46] jewels
[27:48] and you're holding
[27:52] in your left hand a new cauliflower
[27:56] which is a
[27:59] kind of lotus a blue lotus
[28:02] with
[28:04] thousands of petals
[28:08] and so let's take a moment and actually
[28:11] feel ourselves as time
[28:15] not only think but feel
[28:18] ourselves embodying
[28:23] the green energy of active compassion
[28:27] and sending that out
[28:31] to the world emanating it
[28:35] and healing ourselves embodying
[28:41] green time
[28:57] and then we'll do a little bit of her
[28:59] her Mantra together as we do this
[29:03] imagine that the syllables of the Mantra
[29:07] are turning
[29:08] not your clockwise
[29:11] on a moon disc in your heart
[29:14] and from the Mantra chain
[29:19] the green light of compassion is
[29:21] emanating
[29:23] and perhaps you you know someone who's
[29:25] suffering well you can think of a
[29:28] situation in the world where
[29:31] there's a need for compassion
[29:34] and
[29:38] as we do the Mantra you can send it to
[29:41] those people or that place
[29:44] and also just generally sending it out
[29:46] to all beings
[29:50] it's beautiful green light
[29:53] a fast moving
[29:56] passion tomorrow is known as the Swift
[29:59] one
[30:01] she's a rapid responder
[30:04] her Mantra is
[30:14] so this thing is
[30:17] [Music]
[30:36] foreign
[30:40] [Music]
[30:42] good as well
[30:53] it is
[30:58] [Music]
[31:14] who it is
[31:17] [Music]
[31:30] and then imagine that your own body
[31:33] as Tara
[31:36] dissolves into
[31:39] the Mantra Circle in your heart
[31:43] and her seat syllable Tom which is at
[31:46] the center
[31:48] of your heart chakra
[31:51] your whole body dissolves into that
[31:54] tongue
[31:56] and then the tongue also deserves
[32:02] and restaurants that are present after
[32:04] the dissolution of that time
[32:28] in Monroe dedicate the Merit at the end
[32:34] the positive
[32:38] energy that we've generated in this
[32:40] practice
[32:41] offered out
[32:43] to benefit all beings
[32:45] everyone
[33:00] thank you
[33:02] [Music]
[33:06] thank you so much for that
[33:10] foreign
[33:12] if there's anything
[33:15] else that you'd like to say to
[33:17] the audience of this uh
[33:21] this interview
[33:24] um
[33:26] on the topic of this sacred feminine
[33:29] that you haven't said already or related
[33:31] to The Retreat or
[33:33] uh or anything else related to your
[33:35] experience of
[33:37] um
[33:38] your position of leadership in the song
[33:40] go or just anything at all that you feel
[33:43] like you didn't uh this didn't come out
[33:46] yet that you'd like to say
[33:52] there's a lot of ways that
[33:57] feminine is
[34:01] being activated in the world
[34:06] however
[34:08] there's not so many ways that the sacred
[34:12] feminine
[34:15] is being worked with we're working with
[34:17] laws
[34:18] with uh creating more
[34:22] equality in society
[34:25] there's work like the work of the events
[34:28] or
[34:29] with The Vagina Monologues and
[34:33] v-day and stopping violence against
[34:35] women
[34:37] however
[34:40] in order to really make the change
[34:46] and find the balance that we need
[34:50] we need the sacred family
[34:55] even if we get
[34:58] equality
[34:59] violence stops
[35:02] funds against women stops
[35:06] and so on all those outer changes occur
[35:10] we need to find what it is what is
[35:14] unique about the feminine
[35:16] what is the gift
[35:19] of that
[35:21] that we're lacking
[35:24] presently
[35:25] and how can we reawaken or reactivate
[35:30] that inner level
[35:33] of the feminine that we lack
[35:36] as a society and individually
[35:41] this is a discussion that I've had with
[35:43] Eve because she's so politically active
[35:48] and for many women and men who are
[35:52] activists
[35:54] they get really exhausted
[35:57] and they don't have a way to regenerate
[36:03] themselves
[36:05] and so to have the spiritual connection
[36:11] with the sacred feminine and to know how
[36:14] to bring that forth
[36:16] is very restorative
[36:19] and gives energy
[36:22] to those who are activists and not only
[36:26] to activists but to everybody and so
[36:29] what I really want to emphasize in the
[36:33] conference
[36:35] is finding ways like just a little
[36:38] meditation that we did now but there's
[36:41] all kinds of other methods of
[36:44] Reawakening the sacred feminine
[36:46] experientially not just theoretically
[36:50] but how can we do this experientially
[36:53] we recognize that I think everyone
[36:56] recognizes this lack of balance that we
[36:59] have
[37:00] and the dominance of the masculine in
[37:03] the world but how do we have the inner
[37:05] experience of that
[37:08] and then from that inner experience we
[37:11] can create
[37:13] a genuine
[37:16] equality because we don't want just
[37:20] women to be like men you know like we
[37:24] that's not
[37:25] you know to have women leaders who are
[37:28] just like male leaders
[37:30] who
[37:31] um
[37:34] I mean of course women can be like male
[37:36] leaders but I believe that women really
[37:39] have a unique gift and that if they can
[37:42] bring that with them
[37:44] um
[37:46] as they become leaders
[37:49] then we'll have something new in the
[37:51] world and we need something new and this
[37:54] is very difficult because women who are
[37:56] active politically and and so on they
[38:00] have to go into kind of that game that
[38:03] um that has been created by a
[38:06] patriarchal society and it's very easy
[38:09] for them to lose themselves as women
[38:12] and and they they might not even lose
[38:15] themselves they might never have really
[38:17] known it like what is this and so
[38:21] I think that's an important thing to
[38:23] know and so the conference will really
[38:26] be at least from my point of view how
[38:28] can we know this experientially how can
[38:31] we develop it within ourselves to help
[38:34] bring the balance that we know that the
[38:37] world needs
[38:42] thank you so much for the you know for
[38:45] the ideas and the wisdom that you've
[38:46] shared here today and
[38:49] the conference has felt like something
[38:51] you know to us your Jamal amount Center
[38:53] that's really important and uh the
[38:57] weight of that feels more real after
[39:00] having this discussion with you so
[39:03] um
[39:04] I feel more inspired and I think that
[39:06] probably people who are tuning in will
[39:09] also
[39:10] um just to mention again in case uh
[39:14] people
[39:16] didn't hear the first time the
[39:19] conference is called wisdom rising and
[39:21] exploration of the divine feminine in
[39:23] Buddhism it's happening here at shimbala
[39:26] Mountain Center from September 25th
[39:29] through the 29th this fall of 2015 and
[39:35] Lama silter alioni will be joined by uh
[39:39] many teachers including venerables Dr
[39:42] pananavati acharya Judith simmer Brown
[39:45] acharya Susan Shea
[39:48] um and we're really looking forward to
[39:49] hosting all these uh amazing teachers
[39:52] and all of you who may come to join us
[39:57] so I thank you all for tuning in and
[40:01] being part of this discussion and I
[40:04] invite you all to come here and deepen
[40:06] into it further and
[40:10] um and I thank you again so much Lama
[40:12] for uh for taking the time today to to
[40:16] meet with uh all of us and and share
[40:22] my pleasure Travis thanks you for the
[40:25] interview and it's it's nice that you as
[40:27] a man are doing the interview because I
[40:30] think
[40:31] this is really something that that we
[40:33] all need and
[40:36] um
[40:36] when men understand that they can
[40:41] bring that forth in themselves and find
[40:43] that balance within themselves that's
[40:44] also important
[40:46] so thanks for doing the interview
[40:49] yes uh it was my honor and I really uh
[40:53] look forward to the conference and
[40:54] engaging in
[40:56] um
[40:57] you know more practices like you offered
[41:00] today and uh hearing uh getting more of
[41:05] a sense of the the depth and power of
[41:07] the discussion and the possibilities for
[41:09] going forward so
[41:11] um yes thank you again and I'm so glad
[41:14] to to be the one to do it
[41:17] [Music]
[41:23] so yes on that note uh we'll sign off
[41:26] here today
[41:27] um
[41:28] uh please stay tuned to our website
[41:32] shamolamountain.org and
[41:35] um you know for more conversations like
[41:37] this
[41:38] and please check out Lama silcham
[41:40] alioni's work you can find uh
[41:43] terramandala has a website with all
[41:47] sorts of information and points you
[41:49] towards teachings and more resources
[41:53] um to connect fully with llama sultram's
[41:56] wisdom
[41:58] so uh stay tuned thank you for tuning in
[42:01] today and we'll be in touch more soon
[42:05] bye