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[0:00] I consider HeartMath my family as well
[0:02] as my dear friends.
[0:04] Uh
[0:04] and the role that you have played also
[0:08] in doing it your way, you came along at
[0:11] a time where it been very easy to fold
[0:14] into this new thought and new age kind
[0:18] of um
[0:20] you know,
[0:21] uh just all kinds of feel-good kinds of
[0:23] stuff that was prevalent during the '90s
[0:27] and uh
[0:29] you and your team work very hard to to
[0:33] hold the line to keep HeartMath
[0:35] credible, uh
[0:37] to use rock-solid science underlying the
[0:40] conclusions that you were coming to and
[0:41] then to to break that science down into
[0:45] something very accessible to a broad
[0:48] general audience, making it easy for
[0:49] people to capitalize on that science and
[0:52] to embrace it to to become the best
[0:54] version of themselves and and ultimately
[0:57] create the best world possible. So, you
[0:59] and I have known one another 31 years
[1:01] we've worked together. Uh
[1:03] I admire you. I love you like a brother.
[1:05] And rarely do we have the opportunity to
[1:08] do what we're doing right now. So, I'm
[1:10] cherishing this moment. Uh we don't know
[1:13] where it's going to go. It's completely
[1:14] unscripted. And we just wanted to to
[1:18] bring our friendship and what we have
[1:21] learned uh
[1:23] individually and collectively to a
[1:26] larger community and hopefully it can
[1:27] help people in their everyday lives as
[1:29] well. So, how do Thank you for making
[1:31] some time in your life. I I hope you
[1:33] feel as good as you look, brother,
[1:35] because you're looking awesome on this
[1:36] camera.
[1:37] >> Yeah, this is unscripted. I mean, how
[1:38] this came about for you the viewer right
[1:40] now is that we were Greg and I were
[1:42] having a personal conversation a couple
[1:44] weeks ago and then Greg said, "We should
[1:46] record one of these." And this session
[1:48] is we're going to just talk about
[1:49] whatever is on our hearts and our minds
[1:51] right now. And uh there's plenty, I'm
[1:53] sure, for us to talk about. But just
[1:56] more of a candid conversation between
[1:57] the two of us. We do so many of these
[1:59] professional podcasts and and programs
[2:02] that we do, but that's not what this one
[2:04] is. This one is a conversation between
[2:06] two people who love one another that are
[2:08] in a similar field trying to do what we
[2:10] can to usher in this new and and better
[2:12] world that we all sense is is there and
[2:15] is coming.
[2:15] >> Yeah, so are you saying this is Are you
[2:17] Are you saying this is an unprofessional
[2:19] podcast?
[2:20] >> [laughter]
[2:21] >> We'll find out when it's done, you know.
[2:23] >> Well, you know how hard I I don't know
[2:25] if you know this. I You have been on the
[2:27] road in the past, and I know especially
[2:30] since the lockdown, since the pandemic,
[2:32] you have really focused a lot more in
[2:33] your your local community and in the
[2:37] HeartMath family
[2:39] building coherence and building some
[2:42] some new platforms, new techniques, and
[2:44] just really loving the world in the way
[2:47] that your work has led you to do. We've
[2:50] been all over the world, and what you
[2:53] may not know is that First of all,
[2:56] HeartMath is in the common vernacular
[3:00] throughout this world. When I say
[3:02] HeartMath and I ask for a show of hands,
[3:05] who Who knows HeartMath? More people
[3:07] raise their hands in those audiences
[3:09] than than do not. So, you have
[3:14] been very, very effective in bringing
[3:16] your brand and the technology and the
[3:20] possibilities of what it means to awaken
[3:23] the heart to not just to the American
[3:25] Heart Association and not even just to a
[3:26] New Thought audience, but these are
[3:29] medical students, they are college
[3:31] professors, they are certainly doctors.
[3:34] We had cardiac surgeons in um
[3:37] in one of our events, and I was sharing
[3:39] new discoveries, and and they were
[3:41] saying, "How come we don't know this
[3:42] stuff?" And I said, "Well, you know,
[3:44] you're here now because
[3:45] because you are ahead of the curve, and
[3:48] you always have been. So, you're sharing
[3:52] the foundation of rock-solid science
[3:54] that is yet to be carried in the
[3:55] mainstream textbooks and mainstream
[3:58] classrooms on the one hand.
[4:00] And on the other hand, Howard, it is
[4:02] precisely what we need, what the world
[4:06] needs, what our community needs right
[4:07] now to help us to navigate unprecedented
[4:12] changes in the world and to do it in a
[4:14] healthy way. But we're all going to go
[4:15] through it. The key is do we go through
[4:18] it in in a good way, in a healthy way?
[4:20] And and that's where HeartMath really
[4:21] comes in. So, I just wanted to let you
[4:23] know, uh people all over the world, they
[4:26] applaud you. They We as people stand up
[4:28] and applaud you in the audience. When I
[4:30] say, "How many people know Institute of
[4:31] HeartMath?"
[4:32] >> I have been out there less since the
[4:33] pandemic, going back out more now. As
[4:35] you know, um
[4:37] I'll be speaking at an event. You'll be
[4:38] there virtually, you know, the Heart and
[4:40] Leadership in Athens. It'll be coming up
[4:41] in October 30th through the 2nd of
[4:43] November. And it's a great example, that
[4:46] event, of events that I think are
[4:48] meaningful for me right now. It is going
[4:50] to be a very progressive audience, for
[4:52] sure. But there going to be other
[4:53] speakers like yourself, for example, and
[4:55] Ariana Huffington will be there
[4:56] virtually. But other speakers from
[4:58] around the world that are leaders, men
[5:00] and women who've created extraordinary
[5:02] changes and success in their
[5:04] organizations, but they did it
[5:06] differently.
[5:07] >> Mhm.
[5:07] >> They're bringing in new understanding,
[5:09] new intuitive intelligence, new
[5:11] qualities of the heart associated with
[5:12] being leaders. Now, that works for me.
[5:15] It's new thought in a way, but it's also
[5:18] very pragmatic in a way. You know, it's
[5:20] about how do we
[5:21] use our organizations um to create the
[5:24] type of changes that are going to affect
[5:26] society, you know, the societal impact
[5:28] of this type of thinking. Not just the
[5:31] thinking itself, but the manifestation
[5:33] of that in large scale, you know? And
[5:36] that excites me, you know, to have um
[5:38] you know, an opportunity to be at a
[5:39] conference like that, you know, in in
[5:41] Athens and to be with those kind of
[5:43] extraordinary speakers. So, yeah, it's
[5:46] HeartMath's footprint's out there. I get
[5:48] it, you know, and uh I'm real proud of
[5:50] that, you know, all the people here, the
[5:52] all my my
[5:54] associates here at HeartMath tirelessly
[5:56] work for over 30 years to introduce a
[5:59] new understanding of heart to the world.
[6:01] Both the psychological and physiological
[6:04] understanding of that and then to apply
[6:06] it across so many societal sectors. So
[6:09] that's been cool. And what's actually
[6:12] really interesting about it is that you
[6:14] know,
[6:14] we're a mature organization now. We've
[6:16] been doing this over what, 36 years or
[6:19] something? And by now an organization
[6:22] usually tops out, you know, they've done
[6:24] what they've done, they've established
[6:26] what they wanted to establish and they
[6:27] fade off into the sunset with and all
[6:30] that. That's not us. We're still
[6:31] growing, we're still changing, we're
[6:33] still evolving. We're going through the
[6:34] biggest growth phase in the history of
[6:37] HeartMath right now. And so there's more
[6:39] to come, I guess is what I'm trying to
[6:41] say. And I think that you've touched on
[6:44] HeartMath science. We should probably
[6:45] talk about that and your relationship to
[6:47] it. You've been a big proponent and and
[6:50] very helpful in spreading this word
[6:52] about what we do. But you know, when we
[6:55] started HeartMath, we recognized that if
[6:58] we were going to introduce a heart-based
[7:00] system into an often relatively
[7:02] heartless world, we had to do it
[7:05] differently. Heart had already been
[7:07] talked about for thousands of years, but
[7:09] yet we felt it was not making it into
[7:11] daily life in a in a
[7:12] in an enough tangible way.
[7:15] And so we chose science to be the bridge
[7:18] between the philosophical understanding
[7:19] that people have about heart and the
[7:21] day-to-day application of heart in their
[7:24] daily life. So science became an
[7:26] important part of of what we are and and
[7:29] what we've done and it's given us the
[7:31] ability to be in these mainstream
[7:33] scenarios, you know, like we've trained
[7:35] like 60,000 Dutch police officers. Every
[7:38] Dutch police officer has received some
[7:40] some HeartMath training for example, you
[7:42] know, or in large corporations or many
[7:46] other types of mainstream organizations,
[7:48] military, for example.
[7:50] And the science is what did that. You
[7:52] know, just talking about heart, talking
[7:54] about, you know, love and care and
[7:56] compassion, they're all extremely
[7:58] important characteristics that need to
[7:59] be looked at differently.
[8:01] But the bridge to accepting that
[8:05] was a bridge born from heart, excuse me,
[8:07] from science, from understanding the
[8:09] physiological mechanisms by which the
[8:11] heart communicates with the brain and
[8:13] the rest of the body.
[8:14] >> Now, well, this is where it gets really
[8:16] exciting, Howard, because in these last
[8:18] 30 years,
[8:19] uh the scientific community, the medical
[8:23] community is looking at the human body
[8:26] from a very, very different perspective
[8:28] than what they were when you and I
[8:30] first, first met. And that has direct
[8:33] [clears throat] consequences for the
[8:34] role of the heart in in the human body.
[8:36] So, so what I mean by that, and this is
[8:39] fascinating to me, when when I was a kid
[8:41] growing up, 1950s, '60s, early '70s, I
[8:44] was in school,
[8:45] we were always taught that the human
[8:47] body,
[8:48] uh we studied it through biology and
[8:51] thought about sticky, wet, gooey, mushy
[8:54] DNA and cells and, you know, and that is
[8:57] one way of looking at the body. But what
[8:59] happened about 15 years ago was
[9:02] scientists, some scientists began
[9:05] looking at the human body from an IT
[9:08] perspective, information technology.
[9:11] So, in other words, they were looking at
[9:13] our biology as the equivalents of
[9:17] technological components that we see in
[9:20] our computers and in our, you know, our,
[9:23] our high-tech equipment. So, we know,
[9:26] for example, there's about 50 trillion
[9:27] cells in the average human body. What
[9:30] they now know is every one of those
[9:32] cells is literally, not a metaphor, it's
[9:34] literally a little microcircuit. It's
[9:37] got an input, it's got an output. It
[9:39] creates a voltage about .07 volts.
[9:43] We have the equivalent of transistors
[9:45] and resistors and capacitors in our
[9:47] cells. The we are photon emitters. We're
[9:52] emitting photons of light bio bio
[9:55] photons. We're We're receiving those.
[9:58] That our DNA stores information the way
[10:01] that blockchain technology is being used
[10:03] to today decentralized all over the
[10:05] world and I could go on and on. But
[10:08] what's fascinating
[10:09] is this technology. We're the only form
[10:12] of life that
[10:14] we know of today with the ability to
[10:17] self-regulate
[10:19] all of the potential
[10:20] within this what is now being called
[10:23] soft technology.
[10:25] >> Mhm.
[10:26] >> A lot of people when we think about
[10:27] technology, you you think of of silicon
[10:30] chips and wires and
[10:33] uh and you know, surface manic
[10:35] components. We're so much more than
[10:37] that, Howard. We're so much more
[10:39] advanced. We are neurons and we are cell
[10:42] membranes and we're DNA and we
[10:45] self-regulate
[10:47] these components through what are called
[10:50] epigenetic triggers and there are seven
[10:53] primary epigenetic triggers, thought,
[10:55] feeling, emotion, breath, focus,
[10:58] nutrition, and movement. And here's
[11:01] where this becomes very relevant. Five
[11:03] of those triggers are directly linked to
[11:06] the human heart. And this I think is why
[11:09] this is the bridge. Our most ancient and
[11:12] cherished indigenous and cultural and
[11:16] healing
[11:18] uh and spiritual traditions focus upon
[11:20] the heart
[11:22] in a language that's not scientific, but
[11:25] it certainly can be effective.
[11:27] Uh before science, these people
[11:29] understood their relationship to the
[11:30] heart and now the science is showing us
[11:33] why the heart can be the the the key,
[11:39] the foundation for all of these
[11:41] extraordinary experiences, things like
[11:43] super immune response,
[11:45] uh super longevity, um
[11:47] super resilience to change, super
[11:49] memory, super cognition, super recall,
[11:52] and so much more. And these are the very
[11:56] attributes that help us to become the
[11:59] best version of ourselves, ultimately to
[12:02] create the best world possible,
[12:04] and in a very relevant sense, they're
[12:07] what help get us through these
[12:09] extraordinary changes that we're seeing
[12:11] in the world. If we feel powerless, we
[12:14] feel that we're powerless victims of
[12:15] changing world could be very scary.
[12:18] But if we feel that we have the ability
[12:22] to unlock and awaken these these
[12:25] extraordinary potentials within our
[12:27] bodies, then we're less reliant
[12:30] on the world around us, and we can kind
[12:33] of sit back and let the world go through
[12:35] its changes, and we know we're okay, and
[12:37] we can care for ourselves and our
[12:38] families. And And that's what HeartMath
[12:41] uh helps us to do, and that's why I'm so
[12:43] grateful for you trusting me to share
[12:47] your technology through my language with
[12:50] our community worldwide for 31 years
[12:53] now.
[12:54] >> Well, that was fascinating. You know, I
[12:56] hope you, the viewer right now, can see
[12:58] why we wanted to record one of our
[12:59] conversations. This is what [laughter]
[13:00] happens when he and I get together. We
[13:02] begin to explore these various things.
[13:05] And you're right. And I think one of the
[13:06] key things you said uh was that we have
[13:08] the ability to self-regulate these
[13:10] things.
[13:11] And that's important to understand, is
[13:13] that we are not powerless. We are moving
[13:15] into a new era where our consciousness
[13:17] is allowing us to see how empowered we
[13:19] really are. That we are co-creative
[13:21] beings. We are interfacing with the
[13:23] field of consciousness through our
[13:25] thoughts and our feelings and our
[13:26] perceptions, and we're making choices
[13:28] that feed that field and then that field
[13:30] reflects back to us. Uh what in turn
[13:33] becomes our view of reality. And so
[13:35] yeah, we can see the world as a scary
[13:37] place and yeah, there's plenty to be
[13:38] scared of. There's plenty of things
[13:40] going on in the world today that can
[13:41] create that anxiety and that sense of of
[13:44] fear.
[13:45] At the same time, we can also begin to
[13:48] see the world and the changes we're
[13:49] going through as a great opportunity to
[13:52] grow and to change and to create
[13:53] something new unlike
[13:56] ever before in the history of humankind,
[13:58] you know? So it becomes a matter of
[14:00] choice moment to moment day to day
[14:02] depending on how we are approaching our
[14:04] view of the world.
[14:06] That's where heart really plays an
[14:07] important role. You know, in terms of
[14:10] specially nervous system regulation and
[14:13] regulation of our emotions.
[14:16] We see the world not through what we
[14:18] think, but we see the world through how
[14:19] we feel. You know, it's through the
[14:21] emotional nature that we have. And we
[14:24] have the most sophisticated emotional
[14:27] capacity of any living thing on this
[14:29] planet. It's what makes us unique.
[14:31] Which makes us so very very special.
[14:34] And yet very often we see ourselves as
[14:36] victims of our emotions. We see emotion
[14:39] only as reaction. We don't necessarily
[14:41] see it as choice.
[14:43] But as we begin to expand our
[14:45] perceptions and our awareness and our
[14:46] consciousness,
[14:48] we begin to develop a new understanding
[14:50] and new capacity to utilize those
[14:53] emotions to create new visions, new
[14:56] pictures of the world and the power and
[14:58] the resilience
[15:00] to actually take the steps forward that
[15:01] we know we need to take. And heart plays
[15:03] a role in every single bit of that,
[15:05] which relates to what you were saying
[15:07] about physiology, the biology, the
[15:09] information, uh the I love that thing,
[15:12] the IT approach to health. That was
[15:13] amazing, you know?
[15:15] Uh it begins to to provide some
[15:17] practical understanding and and cadence,
[15:19] so to speak, to bring those
[15:21] understandings into daily life.
[15:24] >> Wow. Well, it's you know, this is I I
[15:26] think why for both of us. You mentioned
[15:29] longevity in terms of of our presence in
[15:34] in the world. And and I appreciate you
[15:36] recognizing that, Howard. You know,
[15:38] early on in my career
[15:40] uh for I was a musician long before I
[15:43] was ever an author. And I didn't know
[15:46] that what I'm doing now is going to be
[15:47] my life's work. Uh I I felt I had
[15:51] something useful that could help people
[15:54] in their lives and I wanted to share it.
[15:56] I didn't know where where that was going
[15:57] to go. And I was surrounded by people
[16:00] that had preconceived ideas of how these
[16:03] things work. And and they they expected
[16:07] me
[16:08] uh and I think you as as a corporation
[16:11] as well to to do what you mentioned, to
[16:15] to kind of reach a peak or what they
[16:17] would call the crest of the wave.
[16:19] >> Yeah.
[16:20] >> And they were all trying to to jockey to
[16:23] be with me when I reached the the crest
[16:26] of my wave, my publishers, my publicity
[16:29] people, my book marketing people. And I
[16:32] told them, I said, "Hey, I don't want to
[16:33] bum you out, but there is no crest of
[16:35] this wave." I said, "We are strong and
[16:38] steady. I'm in it for for the duration
[16:43] uh however long I'm I'm blessed to be in
[16:45] this world now."
[16:46] And
[16:47] the reason that they were thinking the
[16:50] way they were thinking is because most
[16:52] people have one idea that they rehash
[16:55] again and again and again in their
[16:56] career.
[16:58] And pretty soon that that idea is is
[17:00] reaches saturation point. And I told my
[17:03] publishers, I said,
[17:05] "I am drawing on a living body of
[17:07] information. It will never be exhausted.
[17:10] Uh my job is to recognize
[17:14] how that evolving every evolving
[17:18] information fits into our lives, into
[17:20] our world, and then convey that
[17:23] in a way that
[17:25] is accessible and makes sense to people,
[17:27] you know, something they can use in in
[17:28] their everyday lives. So, I never
[17:30] reached the crest of my wave. Uh
[17:34] my work is now This is This is the 46th
[17:37] year I've been this work now.
[17:39] In one Yeah, one one form or another.
[17:42] Um
[17:44] My first public talk was 1986 at a
[17:46] little bookstore in Denver, Colorado
[17:48] called the Open Door Bookstore.
[17:50] And and I recognize the same for you,
[17:52] Howard. They
[17:54] Your company
[17:56] uh is evolving and the people First of
[17:59] all, we live what we teach. And so, from
[18:02] just a physical perspective for our age
[18:05] group, we're
[18:06] we're not doing what a lot of people in
[18:08] our age group are doing. I feel better
[18:10] now than I did when I was in my 40s.
[18:13] Uh I had I had an invitation Somebody
[18:15] wants to give me a lifetime achievement
[18:17] award, and I said, "Well, you can't do
[18:18] that cuz I'm not done yet, you know?"
[18:20] >> [laughter]
[18:21] >> I said, "Wait Wait Wait till the end of
[18:23] the lifetime, and then you can give me
[18:24] my award."
[18:25] >> [laughter]
[18:26] >> I got something I want to ask you about.
[18:28] >> Yeah.
[18:28] >> We didn't talk about it last time we
[18:29] were together, and it's like, you know,
[18:31] in you know, pure human, I read your
[18:32] book, and it's been out for a while now,
[18:34] and just it blew up. It's been a very
[18:36] successful book. And in the book, it was
[18:38] about AI in a sense and about the
[18:40] threats of AI in a way, but also the you
[18:42] know, the the opportunity that we have,
[18:45] you know, to create our own and you
[18:46] know, involvement in our own evolution
[18:48] of our intelligence. And the book's been
[18:50] out a while now. You've been touring
[18:51] around the book and all of that, and I'd
[18:53] like to know what your perspective is on
[18:55] all that are today, you know, how do you
[18:57] feel about the where things are with
[18:59] >> Well, you know, this is
[19:01] >> Thank you for that, Howard, and I've
[19:02] actually um
[19:04] I've caught a little heat from this in
[19:06] my community because there are many
[19:09] people in our community
[19:11] that are being asked to chime in on AI
[19:15] and they're they're doing so from a
[19:18] well-intentioned place.
[19:21] And what I'm going to say as this is not
[19:22] about making anyone wrong. That's not
[19:25] what this is about, but they don't
[19:27] really understand the AI. So, they are
[19:30] are attributing experiences to AI
[19:33] falsely.
[19:35] Uh
[19:36] they are believing that the AI is
[19:41] is somehow
[19:44] the word sentient comes up a lot.
[19:46] >> Absolutely.
[19:47] >> Yeah, but it but it's more than that.
[19:48] They believe that the AI can
[19:51] evaluate our spiritual evolution. You
[19:53] log on to an AI and the AI will tell you
[19:56] what an evolved being you are and how
[19:57] many past lives you've had and
[20:00] and things like that.
[20:02] So, AI is not new. A lot of people don't
[20:05] know that. The first papers were written
[20:07] in 1934.
[20:09] Uh and again in the 1950s
[20:11] by Alan Turing, the the very famous he
[20:14] did the the Turing test to determine if
[20:18] a machine is intelligent or not.
[20:21] Uh I was working in the defense industry
[20:24] as a civilian. I was DOD civilian
[20:28] with a clearance in the Cold War during
[20:30] 1980s.
[20:32] We were using AI in the '80s. A lot of
[20:34] people don't know that.
[20:36] Uh it was developed behind the scenes,
[20:38] you know, by DARPA because they had the
[20:39] funding and they had the equipment
[20:42] unlimited. Uh it was nowhere near what
[20:44] it is now, but the reason I'm saying
[20:46] this is I had the opportunity to to be
[20:49] in a foundational phase and understand
[20:52] how AI works.
[20:54] There is no interface between the code
[20:59] and the processor, the chip,
[21:02] and the field
[21:04] of our consciousness, our spiritual
[21:07] evolution, or want to call it the
[21:08] Akashic record, or whatever it is. AI is
[21:11] amazing. And I think it's going to solve
[21:13] some of the the greatest problems.
[21:16] Probably
[21:17] uh unify the four fundamental forces of
[21:20] of nature that have yet to be done and
[21:22] and unified field theory.
[21:24] AI cannot evaluate our our spiritual
[21:29] evolution.
[21:30] Uh and people that are looking
[21:33] and claiming that they are doing that,
[21:35] um my take has been problematic
[21:40] for them because I'm not supporting some
[21:42] of the claims that that are out there.
[21:44] I think AI is um
[21:48] uh
[21:49] I think it is probably the most profound
[21:51] technology
[21:52] that's ever been dumped into the lap of
[21:55] a broad
[21:56] civilian population.
[21:59] We have been given this technology with
[22:01] no guardrails and no instructions.
[22:04] And for an uninformed population to have
[22:09] that kind of power without the
[22:10] guardrails to know how to use it, we're
[22:13] seeing problems. We're seeing young
[22:15] people
[22:16] who feel disenfranchised
[22:20] in the world and feel like AI is their
[22:23] only friend.
[22:24] So they're developing emotional
[22:26] relationships with code that is coming
[22:29] through to them.
[22:31] Uh and very sadly, some of those young
[22:33] people have difficult lives and they
[22:35] share that with the AI and say what
[22:38] should I do? And the AI comes back and
[22:40] says, "Based on what you've told me,
[22:42] it's hopeless." I mean, the AI is
[22:43] telling them that. And we've all heard
[22:46] the sad stories and they're in the news
[22:48] and there's some legal precedents. Young
[22:50] people have have uh have taken their own
[22:52] lives based on what was coming back. And
[22:54] that's
[22:55] the tech is never right, wrong, good, or
[22:56] bad. It's the thinking underlying how
[23:00] that technology is used. And
[23:02] uh and I think we owe it to we've got to
[23:04] take care of our kids Howard. We've got
[23:06] to care for our kids
[23:08] because they don't know how precious
[23:11] they are they don't understand
[23:13] the the deep truth of what it means to
[23:16] be human and the extraordinary
[23:18] capacities within them. They have been
[23:21] raised in a world where they've been led
[23:23] to believe that they are broken and they
[23:25] need something outside of themselves to
[23:28] be successful and and the technology is
[23:30] that something. So if you're a young
[23:32] person and your sense of well-being and
[23:36] your your sense of purpose and life and
[23:39] success hinges on an external technology
[23:43] that has consequences that we are are
[23:47] now beginning to understand. So I think
[23:50] we're in this
[23:51] in this
[23:53] early phase this evolutionary phase
[23:56] where we're learning what it means to
[23:58] have this kind of power at our
[24:00] fingertips
[24:01] in a civilian population where in the
[24:03] past it was always behind the scenes for
[24:06] the government and the military.
[24:08] And um
[24:10] and it all comes down this is where our
[24:12] work is so vital Howard because it all
[24:14] comes down to the way we think of
[24:16] ourselves. No one is telling our young
[24:19] people
[24:21] how rare and precious and powerful and
[24:25] yet delicate and fragile yet resilient
[24:29] the human body is and of the capacity
[24:32] I'm just going to quote this is Rollin
[24:34] McCraty your chief scientist contributed
[24:38] to an article
[24:39] that I've quoted so many times. I'm
[24:41] going to do this from memory. It's in
[24:42] the Journal of Complementary and
[24:43] Alternative Medicine.
[24:45] >> Mhm.
[24:45] >> And there's a quote that says quote
[24:48] there is compelling evidence to suggest
[24:50] that the human heart is coupled to a
[24:52] field of information
[24:55] that is not limited by the laws of
[24:58] physics. Okay, by the laws of time and
[25:01] space. End of quote. That means there's
[25:04] a part of us that transcends the limits
[25:07] of physics. I mean,
[25:09] think about what that [clears throat]
[25:09] means. That's
[25:11] that's why heart intelligence
[25:14] is so extraordinary because it can reach
[25:17] into that field and help us to
[25:19] understand
[25:21] our relationships and what's happening
[25:24] in our bodies. Nobody's telling young
[25:26] young people that.
[25:27] The The Salk Institute, Northern
[25:30] California, actually ran studies
[25:32] comparing human brain to computer
[25:35] microprocessors.
[25:37] And the bottom line is the the
[25:39] processors are fast, yes. They're
[25:40] efficient, yes.
[25:42] They're not scalable and the human brain
[25:44] is a hundredfold more efficient than
[25:45] those computer processors are. And when
[25:49] I tell young people that, they're blown
[25:50] away because they've been taught to
[25:53] worship the chip in the AI. So, I think
[25:57] we're at a point where we're finding
[26:01] it's like a pendulum.
[26:03] It swings so far in one direction of
[26:05] technology. We're going to find the
[26:06] middle ground where we respect
[26:10] and honor and cherish the gift of the
[26:12] body to a greater degree and allow the
[26:15] AI and the tech to serve us
[26:18] rather than becoming enslaved by the
[26:20] technology. And
[26:23] I'll just stop there. I I think that's
[26:24] where we are right now.
[26:25] >> Well, that's really an upgrade and a
[26:27] rethinking around all that. I do agree
[26:29] with most everything that you've said.
[26:31] And you know, I don't have a whole lot
[26:32] to add to the AI narrative that's
[26:34] happening right now. This has been
[26:36] talked about and written about ad
[26:37] nauseam. I think we know there's a great
[26:39] opportunity and a great risk. It's the
[26:41] most disruptive technology we've ever
[26:43] ever been introduced to the world. And
[26:46] anytime anything like that's introduced,
[26:47] it goes through a goes through phases,
[26:50] you know, where it needs to mature in
[26:53] its understanding and adoption and
[26:54] application needs to mature and we're in
[26:56] a very tenuous spot right now, you know.
[26:59] I'm glad you mentioned children and
[27:01] also heart intelligence, you know, I was
[27:03] going to build that bridge myself as you
[27:05] know, and I'll get to the heart
[27:06] intelligence piece in a minute but I
[27:08] heard something the other night from
[27:09] Jeff Goins who works at HeartMath
[27:11] Institute in the education division
[27:13] there and he said something that that
[27:15] was really fun for me and it's really
[27:17] inspirational to hear and it's happening
[27:19] in your backyard. He talked He talked
[27:21] about a school he's working with in
[27:22] Albuquerque.
[27:24] It's I think a charter school and most
[27:26] of the children are very under
[27:27] privileged in that school.
[27:29] They have adopted HeartMath into that
[27:32] school to the point where
[27:34] every morning
[27:36] through the intercom system in the
[27:37] school, 2100 students are led through
[27:40] the HeartMath quick coherence technique.
[27:44] They've also built in training these
[27:45] students to use the power of pause, you
[27:48] know, to pause in between their classes
[27:50] as they're going from one class to the
[27:52] other. They've trained them how to do
[27:54] that if they want to. How to reconnect
[27:56] with the heart going from one phase of
[27:58] their educational day to the next. They
[28:01] have purchased 500 HeartMath coherence
[28:03] plus sensors which go with the HeartMath
[28:05] app and once a week they give those
[28:08] sensors out to the students that want it
[28:10] and they practice with that learning how
[28:11] to increase their coherence, you know,
[28:13] practice with the technology. A great
[28:15] use of technology. So, these are ways in
[28:18] which the young people are getting a bit
[28:20] different education
[28:22] around understanding what they have
[28:24] inside themselves, you know, and what
[28:26] they can can utilize and bring to the
[28:28] surface to you know, to recognize that
[28:30] they are not broken.
[28:32] You know, to recognize that they are
[28:34] okay and that they have potential and
[28:36] opportunities to make tremendous
[28:37] contributions not only to themselves but
[28:39] to the world. That was inspirational for
[28:41] me to hear and there's many many stories
[28:43] like that. That one really was
[28:45] interesting to me. I thought about 2100
[28:47] students every morning, you know,
[28:49] practicing the quick coherence technique
[28:51] coming through the intercom system
[28:52] [clears throat] at the school, you know.
[28:53] >> [laughter]
[28:54] >> Yeah,
[28:55] that's why who thought of that, right?
[28:56] You know?
[28:56] >> Well, you know, when I was in school it
[28:58] was the pledge of allegiance coming
[28:59] through that intercom. I'd rather do
[29:00] heart coherence, you know. So, you may
[29:04] not know I didn't know about that. This
[29:05] is my backyard and I'd love to find out
[29:07] and maybe pay him a visit. What you may
[29:09] not know is before the breakdown
[29:14] that we're currently seeing in the
[29:15] Middle East, I was leading groups into
[29:18] the Holy Lands.
[29:19] And there are schools that have been
[29:21] built to bring together Christians and
[29:25] Coptics and Muslims, all all young
[29:29] people. And they're using HeartMath in
[29:32] those schools
[29:33] and they're all practicing this heart
[29:35] coherence.
[29:37] One of the most powerful pieces of of
[29:39] heart coherence and I hear people talk
[29:41] about this very little
[29:42] is that when we view the world through
[29:45] our brain. Our brain is a polarity
[29:47] organ, left and right brain. We're
[29:49] always going to see right and wrong and
[29:50] good and bad and success and failure and
[29:53] healed and sick and worthy and not
[29:56] worthy.
[29:57] When we create that coherence, the the
[30:00] heart is um
[30:02] is not a polarity organ. I'm hesitating
[30:05] a little bit on how deep to go with
[30:06] this. Part part of my blood, my DNA on
[30:09] my father's side was Southeastern
[30:11] Cherokee. So, I have Cherokee blood
[30:14] within me and I I have spent some time
[30:17] exploring that part of my heritage.
[30:19] And one of the fascinating things,
[30:20] Aaron, I think you and I may have spoken
[30:23] about this years ago
[30:24] is in in the Cherokee tradition, they
[30:27] have a word that doesn't even exist in
[30:29] the English language for the ability of
[30:32] the heart to see beyond the polarity of
[30:36] the brain to see what's true. And that
[30:39] word is called Shanti Ishta. Shanti
[30:42] Ishta means the single eye of the heart.
[30:45] Now, where this is really interesting is
[30:47] Lakota Sioux is a completely different
[30:51] indigenous community. They have exactly
[30:54] the same word that means exactly the
[30:56] same thing in their tradition,
[30:59] uh Shanti Ishta.
[31:01] So, when these young people are able to
[31:04] view
[31:06] their history and their culture and what
[31:09] their parents tell them about the land
[31:13] and, you know, all of the strife that's
[31:15] going on, when they can hear that
[31:17] through the heart
[31:20] without the polarities of the judgment
[31:22] of the rightness or the wrongness,
[31:24] >> Mhm.
[31:25] >> doesn't negate what's happened and it
[31:27] doesn't justify in any way. What it does
[31:31] is it allows the individual
[31:34] This is so so powerful to to move beyond
[31:40] the polarities of what has happened, the
[31:42] rightness and the wrongness,
[31:44] to to view objectively and to make
[31:48] objective choices and decisions in a
[31:50] healthy way. What's healthy for them,
[31:53] for their families, for their
[31:54] communities, for the the other kids that
[31:57] are with them. And this is why I have so
[31:59] much faith in the in the young
[32:01] generation, not just in the Middle East,
[32:03] throughout the world.
[32:04] I think our job, if if we're not going
[32:06] to heal the world in this generation,
[32:10] our job is to to keep us from destroying
[32:12] the world long enough for that young
[32:14] generation
[32:16] who become now, and they are, they're
[32:17] coming into the voting age where they
[32:20] can vote for the kinds of policies. They
[32:23] know what happened in the past and they
[32:25] want more. They
[32:27] they want to play soccer with people
[32:30] from other nations. They want to make
[32:32] music with people from other nations.
[32:34] They They want to drum and dance. And
[32:37] you know, that's the human It's the
[32:38] human experience and moving out of
[32:42] the polarity of the brain, the rightness
[32:44] and the wrongness,
[32:46] into this coherent state where we can
[32:49] objectively
[32:50] view and experience and and make choices
[32:54] and decisions
[32:55] uh
[32:56] on a cultural level. I mean, I I think
[32:58] this is probably one of the most
[32:59] underrated potentials of what you and
[33:02] and HeartMath has bring to the world.
[33:04] >> You've just described your description
[33:06] of heart intelligence and some of the
[33:07] applications, you know. I mean, we have
[33:09] this intelligence and we've been
[33:11] unfolding it and folding it in in
[33:13] science and unfolding it in application
[33:15] for a long time now that we call heart
[33:17] intelligence. It is a very high-speed
[33:20] and an intuitive intelligence. It is an
[33:22] intelligence that's born that gives
[33:24] birth to the emotional qualities that we
[33:27] know are beneficial ones, the ones that
[33:28] we revere the most, ones that benefit us
[33:31] uh in so many different ways, including
[33:33] right down to our physiology. And those
[33:35] being emotions like care, kindness,
[33:38] compassion, honor, dignity,
[33:40] non-judgment, love, and a whole list of
[33:42] these type of emotional qualities. And
[33:44] they're all representative of what we
[33:46] call heart intelligence, you know.
[33:48] Heart intelligence is unfolding just
[33:50] like AI is, you know. It's necessary. We
[33:54] have to have this new enfoldment of this
[33:55] intelligence that will move us into the
[33:57] new beings that we are intended to be,
[33:59] you know. And will give us the ability
[34:01] to better understand and harness, you
[34:04] know, the power of this new outer
[34:06] technology that's coming in.
[34:08] And my belief is that, you know, that
[34:11] enfoldment of heart intelligence is also
[34:13] happening at super high speed right now
[34:15] in overt and also subtle ways within
[34:17] people all around the planet. It's part
[34:21] of the evolutionary imperative of our
[34:22] time.
[34:24] HeartMath plays a role in that. We
[34:25] provide some structures, some tools and
[34:27] techniques, some trainings, some
[34:28] technology to measure coherence, and you
[34:31] know, some science to support it all.
[34:32] But it's much bigger than that. It's an
[34:34] unfolding of a new consciousness, and
[34:36] it's happening simultaneous to the
[34:38] chaos, confusion, and challenges that
[34:40] the world's going through, and also in
[34:43] the introduction of AI.
[34:45] And, you know, I've said before, I said,
[34:47] you know,
[34:49] probably the greatest discovery in the
[34:52] history of the world over the last, I
[34:54] don't know, couple hundred years was
[34:55] actually discovery of electricity.
[34:58] You know, when electricity was finally
[35:00] discovered and then learned to be
[35:01] harnessed, everything changed, and it
[35:03] changed really, really quickly. The
[35:05] world before electricity and the world
[35:06] after electricity, completely different,
[35:08] and it happened in a very short amount
[35:10] of time. Same as the intelligence of the
[35:12] heart is unfolding at super high speed
[35:14] all around the world. It's part of the
[35:15] evolutionary imperative of the times
[35:17] that we're living in. It's a change in
[35:19] consciousness, it's the evolution in
[35:21] consciousness that's taking place.
[35:23] We see the challenges on the outside,
[35:25] the chaos, the confusion, the division,
[35:27] the polarizations resulting in wars,
[35:29] conflicts, social inequity, planetary
[35:33] climate issues, all those things.
[35:36] At the same time, there's a new
[35:38] intelligence unfolding in people that I
[35:40] also see.
[35:42] People around the world who are thinking
[35:44] differently, feeling differently, acting
[35:46] differently. Their values have changed,
[35:48] what they want has changed. They're
[35:50] putting the time and the energy into
[35:52] making these changes within themselves
[35:54] and contributing to society as well. So,
[35:56] all this is happening in parallel. It's
[35:58] It's clear to me we're living in what I
[36:00] call a two-world situation right now,
[36:02] you know.
[36:03] We have two worlds that are happening on
[36:04] the same planet at the same time. Heart
[36:07] intelligence is at the core of that, the
[36:09] unfolding of this intelligence, the
[36:11] development of heart intelligence.
[36:13] And that's what we've been doing for
[36:15] many years at HeartMath, providing some
[36:16] structure and some technology and some
[36:18] science around how you actually go about
[36:20] doing that, you know. But, it's bigger
[36:22] than us, you know. We're contributing to
[36:24] it, but it's also a big big energetic
[36:27] wave and momentum
[36:29] and the changes in consciousness itself.
[36:31] We're going to have to continue to
[36:32] develop that in order to
[36:36] do things like better understand how
[36:38] we're going to manage AI.
[36:41] How's AI going to be
[36:43] the technology that that again can
[36:45] create a huge amount of positive change,
[36:48] but also can be extremely detrimental.
[36:50] How are we going to guide that that the
[36:51] process? We're not going to do it
[36:53] through normal logical linear
[36:55] intelligence.
[36:57] We're not going to do it through the
[36:58] brain
[36:59] doing its its, you know,
[37:02] polarization thing, you know. It
[37:04] requires a different intelligence, more
[37:05] high-speed, more intuitive in nature
[37:08] that gives us the width and breadth of
[37:10] insight that we need to have to better
[37:12] understand what we're facing and then
[37:14] how to make the changes in it that we
[37:16] need to make to utilize things like AI
[37:18] and to solve some of the world's
[37:20] challenges and and problems in a new and
[37:22] different way.
[37:23] I'm hopeful.
[37:25] And I'll remain excited and I'll remain
[37:27] positive that this is actually
[37:29] occurring. Early in our conversation,
[37:31] you talked about the change that's going
[37:32] to happen anyway. It becomes a matter of
[37:34] how we go through it. My terminology on
[37:37] that is that we have
[37:39] we have some choice about how that
[37:40] happens.
[37:42] Change is going to happen in it whether
[37:44] we like it or not. The choices we have
[37:46] contribute to how kind and gentle the
[37:48] process that can actually be.
[37:51] And it's through the manifestation of
[37:53] love
[37:55] and the qualities associated with love
[37:57] infused into how we walk in this world
[38:00] to get that job done.
[38:02] And so, I do see more of those qualities
[38:04] showing up and manifesting in people.
[38:06] I do see the changes that are happening
[38:08] and I do see the enfoldment of heart.
[38:10] And as heart intelligence unfolds more,
[38:13] it's going to create change like we've
[38:14] never seen before in a good way.
[38:17] And and and it's going to happen faster
[38:18] than we think. Just like electricity
[38:20] changed the world faster than we could
[38:22] have imagined, Heart's going to change
[38:24] the world in the same way.
[38:26] >> Yeah, well, I think it has to, Howard.
[38:27] You know, I'm
[38:29] my primary I'm a geophysicist by degree
[38:32] and I was taught to be a systems
[38:35] thinker.
[38:37] And what a systems thinker does is look
[38:38] at the big big big picture, zoom out
[38:41] from the everyday
[38:42] ins and outs and ups and downs and look
[38:44] at the big picture
[38:46] to see the context and then you zoom in
[38:49] on the nanosecond of right now to see
[38:51] where it fits into the big picture.
[38:53] >> Yeah.
[38:54] >> None of the things we're talking about
[38:56] are happening in a vacuum. It's no
[38:58] accident that we are awakening to the
[39:02] truth of the extraordinary potential of
[39:04] of what it means to be human and the
[39:06] role of the heart in our humanness.
[39:09] Uh, it's happening at a time and
[39:13] I mean, we could probably do a whole
[39:14] conversation on this.
[39:16] There are cyclic geophysical parameters
[39:20] that occur
[39:22] on a regular basis over long periods of
[39:25] time. We're talking about 12, 13,000
[39:28] years.
[39:29] Is these cycles happen every 12 to
[39:31] 13,000 years.
[39:33] They influence things like the magnetic
[39:35] fields of the planet.
[39:37] >> Yeah.
[39:37] >> Uh, solar cycles. Wheels, we are part of
[39:41] that. We are not separate from the
[39:42] magnetic fields. We're not separate from
[39:44] what's happening in our our our sun's
[39:47] core
[39:48] and those parameters are catalysts. They
[39:53] are the biological imperative. When
[39:55] those parameters change, they trigger us
[39:59] to awaken to a greater potential. Now,
[40:03] whether we do it or not, that is a
[40:05] choice. And some people
[40:07] will
[40:08] faster than others. But if this what
[40:12] we're talking about, our coming to terms
[40:15] with our heart intelligence and our
[40:16] awakening, If this was just like
[40:19] everyday
[40:21] life on planet Earth, we would say, you
[40:23] know, we've got 20, 30, 50 years or
[40:25] whatever, you know, to do this. I think
[40:27] we're all feeling that something is
[40:31] coming. There's a change in the world
[40:34] and it's almost like the almost like the
[40:36] the world the rubber band of the world
[40:39] is wound so tight, something's got to
[40:41] give.
[40:42] And at the same time, we're awakening to
[40:45] our own potential.
[40:48] And that is going to determine how we
[40:50] experience
[40:51] where this world is going and it will
[40:54] determine how we use the technology. If
[40:57] we believe we're powerless,
[40:59] we're going to put a lot of emphasis on
[41:01] the external technology and how we we
[41:04] use things like oil and fossil fuels and
[41:07] and all of those things.
[41:08] We begin to see ourselves
[41:12] for the truth of what we are. We are a
[41:14] highly advanced, technologically
[41:17] sophisticated, soft technology.
[41:21] More advanced than computer chips,
[41:24] cell membranes, neurons,
[41:26] DNA, with the ability to self-regulate
[41:31] so much of our experience. When we
[41:32] really get what that means and we
[41:34] embrace that in our lives, we'll feel
[41:36] less urgency
[41:38] to turn to the external technology.
[41:41] We'll still use it and we'll still have
[41:42] it, but it won't be our go-to because we
[41:46] recognize that we have the ability to to
[41:51] self-regulate. And uh and this is why
[41:53] I'm excited. I was going to ask you and
[41:55] you answered it already how you feel if
[41:57] if you're an optimist. I I'm very
[41:59] optimistic.
[42:00] And I, [clears throat] like you, Howard,
[42:01] I think it all comes down to love.
[42:04] And regardless of the story that we tell
[42:08] ourselves and how we position it, it all
[42:10] comes down to love and a question that
[42:13] we each must ask ourselves and the
[42:15] question is simply this, do we love
[42:17] ourselves enough
[42:19] to accept the deep truth
[42:22] of what it means to be human and our
[42:24] human potential. Some circles will call
[42:27] it our human divinity, things like
[42:29] imagination, creativity, innovation,
[42:33] empathy, sympathy, compassion,
[42:34] forgiveness, healing. Those are all
[42:37] expressions of of divinity.
[42:39] Do we love ourselves enough to accept
[42:42] that in our lives? And that's the kind
[42:44] of question you can't answer with with a
[42:46] yes or no. You answer it through the way
[42:48] you live your life.
[42:49] >> That's right.
[42:49] >> So so we're being invited, not
[42:52] pressured, and everyone's on their own
[42:55] pace, but we're being invited to live in
[42:58] our everyday lives what we now claim to
[43:01] be true
[43:02] in our mind and in our hearts. And and
[43:04] that's someplace everybody can jump in.
[43:07] Everybody can participate. Everyday, how
[43:09] do you treat how do you treat the the
[43:13] the cashier at the checkout line?
[43:15] >> That's right.
[43:15] >> When you change your lanes on the
[43:16] freeway, how how are you going to treat
[43:18] the guy that just cut you off at at the
[43:20] exit, you know? And
[43:21] and people say, "Well, that's that's the
[43:23] little stuff."
[43:24] And it is.
[43:25] But now HeartMath science and Rollin
[43:28] McCraty is is a brilliant brilliant
[43:31] scientist,
[43:32] a brilliant man and and a dear brother,
[43:35] who is leading so much of this showing
[43:37] that those little choices we make in our
[43:39] everyday lives, they're actually feeding
[43:42] a bigger field,
[43:44] becoming the bridge, making it easier
[43:47] for the next and the next and the next
[43:49] person to make a healthy and a kind of
[43:51] choice in their lives. And when people
[43:53] really begin to understand that, that's
[43:55] when we begin anew.
[43:57] >> Well, I agree with you and it's the
[43:58] little things that are the the big
[43:59] things right now, you know? It's
[44:01] interesting in the way we we have a new
[44:03] world that's emerging. We can't quite
[44:05] see it yet, you know? I often feel like,
[44:06] you know, we we walk up right to the
[44:08] corner, you know, right around the
[44:09] corner is the new world and we're at the
[44:11] edge of the corner but we can't quite
[44:12] see around the corner yet but we feel
[44:14] it, we sense it, we know it's coming.
[44:16] And it's an era where there's a lot of
[44:17] forward movement happening towards
[44:18] becoming self-empowered, you know. To do
[44:21] that, I think we have to go back and
[44:22] look at and challenge every belief we've
[44:24] ever had, you know. We can't base the
[44:27] future on the past. That's the tendency
[44:28] to have that works as people base what's
[44:30] happening now on what's happened before
[44:33] and sort of try to project a little into
[44:35] the to seeing the future. We have to
[44:37] take a stand in the now. We have to take
[44:38] take a stand right now and treat that
[44:40] cashier differently, you know. To
[44:42] manifest more love and more kindness in
[44:44] how we interact and how we go through
[44:46] our daily lives, you know. And as we do
[44:49] that, we become more self-empowered. We
[44:51] activate more of this kind of awareness
[44:53] and intelligence we call the
[44:54] intelligence of the heart.
[44:56] And we begin to challenge our beliefs,
[44:58] even our most sacredly held beliefs
[45:00] need to be up for review right now. What
[45:03] we think we have known
[45:05] may not be true anymore.
[45:08] By latching on to thinking that it's
[45:10] this way or that way because of what we
[45:12] experienced in the past, we actually
[45:14] begin to block out what we can see in
[45:16] terms of the future potentials and
[45:18] possibilities. So, it's time for a
[45:20] reevaluation and that takes courage.
[45:23] That takes heart. That takes connecting
[45:25] with that part within us that has that
[45:27] self-security to be able to look at
[45:29] everything we believed before and to
[45:31] determine whether it's applicable now or
[45:33] true now in our life today or in our
[45:36] future life. So, it's an important time
[45:38] for that type of evaluation and it isn't
[45:41] again a mental process.
[45:44] It's non-linear.
[45:46] It takes a deeper pause, a deeper look
[45:48] within ourselves and manifesting more of
[45:51] the qualities of love.
[45:53] As mentioned, I think by now you the
[45:55] viewer knows that Greg and I have been
[45:56] doing this a long time. Uh
[45:59] and as we as I have gone through this
[46:01] over the years.
[46:03] Some things get simpler.
[46:05] And what's important gets simpler.
[46:08] And for me, I recognize that you know,
[46:10] the measurement of my life is not going
[46:12] to be on how many books I sold or how
[46:14] many countries I spoke in, anything like
[46:17] that. It's going to be how much that I
[46:20] love.
[46:23] How much love that I manifest in life.
[46:25] That's going to be the measuring stick
[46:26] of what's important. So it simplifies
[46:28] itself down. So every day that's what
[46:31] I'm attempting to do is you know, and I
[46:33] have my challenges like anyone else. I
[46:36] have my good days and I have my not as
[46:37] good days. I have reactions at times of
[46:40] things that need to be regulated and
[46:41] managed. That's part of being human, you
[46:43] know, but I keep going back to bring it
[46:47] back to love, you know,
[46:48] and bring it back to manifesting more of
[46:50] those qualities of love. And it starts
[46:52] with self-love.
[46:53] If there's a message I have for anyone
[46:55] watching today, it would be this.
[46:58] As you go through your
[47:00] growth
[47:02] and the challenges you may face along
[47:04] the way,
[47:05] I want you to remember to have
[47:06] compassion for yourself.
[47:10] Recognize
[47:11] good person doing the very best you can
[47:13] in an often challenging world, a world
[47:15] that's changing very, very quickly. It's
[47:17] impossible to even keep up with it. If
[47:19] there are times when you don't feel
[47:21] worthy, you don't feel like you're
[47:22] getting it, you don't feel like you're
[47:23] moving along quick enough, you feel like
[47:25] you're behind, those kind of feelings
[47:27] that come up, the self-doubts and the
[47:29] self-judgements,
[47:30] to go back to your own best friend, your
[47:32] most reliable guide. That's your heart.
[47:35] And to ask it for
[47:37] some guidance and then to accept the
[47:39] compassion that it offers.
[47:41] The compassion is important. It's not a
[47:43] self-centered
[47:45] act. It's actually a very empowering act
[47:48] to have some compassion for yourself. I
[47:50] think as we do more of that, we'll have
[47:52] the insights that we need to evaluate
[47:55] what we need to evaluate, to look at our
[47:57] beliefs differently, and to develop the
[48:00] resilience and the power and the
[48:01] empowerment
[48:03] to move forward in our own evolution and
[48:05] to become more conscious co-creators
[48:08] that will help and are helping to create
[48:10] a world that's very different and much
[48:12] better than the one that we often see
[48:14] today.
[48:15] >> Yeah.
[48:16] I love it when you talk that way, Howard
[48:17] Martin.
[48:18] >> [laughter]
[48:19] >> You You know, I I learn something from
[48:21] you every time we're together and you
[48:24] never fail to inspire me.
[48:27] Uh you and I have had some early earlier
[48:29] conversations in the day and
[48:32] when we're finished, I'm feeling so good
[48:35] and that that goodness carries me
[48:36] through all my video conferences and my
[48:38] podcasts and my interviews for the rest
[48:40] of the day.
[48:42] And uh and
[48:43] today is no different. So so thank you
[48:46] for that. You know, I I think about this
[48:47] a lot. If we were going to go to another
[48:49] planet and build a new world, man, I'd
[48:51] love to have you and a whole crew of of
[48:54] Howard-like [clears throat] thinking
[48:55] people.
[48:56] Uh what a beautiful way. I mean, think
[48:58] about this. The foundation
[49:01] of a civilization is based upon the way
[49:03] we think of ourselves. We live our
[49:05] lives, we choose our friends, our
[49:08] intimate partners, our politics, we heal
[49:11] our bodies, we use our natural
[49:13] resources, all based on our story and
[49:17] the way that we have been taught to
[49:19] think about ourselves. And And what
[49:21] you're saying and what you and I are
[49:23] talking about it moves is a radically
[49:26] different way. It's a radically
[49:28] different story. And the different way
[49:30] of thinking of ourselves, yet it's
[49:32] supported by the best science of the
[49:34] modern world. Science tells us now
[49:37] that that the fundamental rule in nature
[49:40] is nature's based in cooperation, not
[49:43] survival of the strongest, survival of
[49:45] the fittest, that nature's based in in
[49:48] abundance and sharing, not scarcity. And
[49:52] those two principles alone, along with a
[49:56] heart-based society,
[49:58] that would make would make the the world
[50:01] of our dreams come true.
[50:04] So, I I think what we're finding from
[50:06] all this, how it is
[50:08] and the reason it's important to talk A
[50:10] lot of people say, you know, the science
[50:12] sounds too technical.
[50:13] I think we can share scientific
[50:15] principles and not get into the
[50:18] technical details. Science is simple.
[50:21] Nature is simple. And the reason it's
[50:23] important is because the better we know
[50:25] ourselves, the less we fear change in
[50:29] the world.
[50:30] We're living in a a change a changing
[50:32] world. The better we know ourselves, the
[50:34] less we fear that. But perhaps most
[50:36] importantly,
[50:37] the better we know ourselves, the less
[50:39] we fear our own power.
[50:41] And we are extraordinarily powerful
[50:43] beings. And it all comes down, as we
[50:46] said before, to that love.
[50:48] I'm going to invite everyone to ask
[50:49] yourself, do I love myself enough to
[50:52] accept the gift that my heart holds for
[50:55] me to empower me
[50:57] in the world today and in the world to
[50:59] come? And the way you live your life is
[51:02] the answer to that. So,
[51:04] Sounds like Yeah, go ahead, Howard. I'm
[51:06] sorry.
[51:06] >> amazing work, Greg, and I don't know
[51:08] anybody that does it better than you and
[51:10] the ways you speak and the new
[51:11] understandings and the new energy that
[51:13] you bring into
[51:15] what's taking place today. And I want to
[51:17] appreciate you for that and and all
[51:18] that. And you know, I know that you
[51:22] go out a lot into the world and and
[51:25] you're there in person as well as doing
[51:27] things like we're doing today. And I'm
[51:29] doing more of that as well now.
[51:30] Beginning to again, but
[51:33] um
[51:34] upcoming things for you. I mean, what's
[51:36] going to what's going to take place
[51:37] next? Anything cool coming up for you
[51:39] that
[51:39] >> I just got back from
[51:41] from speaking in London. And you know,
[51:43] one of the things I like to say to our
[51:44] American audiences is
[51:47] that the people don't have the
[51:48] opportunity to travel.
[51:50] Is the kinds of things we're talking
[51:51] about man, people are talking about this
[51:53] all over the world and in many cases
[51:57] other parts of the world appear even
[51:59] more open and more ready to embrace
[52:03] the potential
[52:05] that we have within us in the world that
[52:07] can come from that and I was just in
[52:09] London people came from all over Europe
[52:11] to that London program
[52:13] and and so we have a lot of help we have
[52:15] a lot of support we got a big family
[52:18] out there sometimes I feel a little
[52:19] isolated when I'm in Europe
[52:21] toward the end of the year in November.
[52:23] >> Right. Yeah, it's fun when we found out
[52:25] of people around the world. I just
[52:26] remembered one. I've got one I'm going
[52:27] to be speaking in mid-October in
[52:30] Slovenia
[52:32] for the first time and
[52:34] found out that you know they're
[52:35] releasing HeartMath intelligence a book
[52:37] that I'm an author of you know um
[52:39] in Slovenian and there's
[52:42] organization there that says there's a
[52:44] large HeartMath following in Slovenia.
[52:47] So they're hosting an event and they're
[52:49] bringing me there to speak and they say
[52:50] it's going to be a big audience and all
[52:51] that kind of thing and who knew you know
[52:54] a place like Slovenia would have a
[52:56] strong HeartMath presence and so it's
[52:58] wonderful it's confirming it it
[53:01] illustrates the fact that this is a
[53:02] global movement that's happening
[53:05] it's something it's it's not just
[53:06] US-centric for sure it's happening all
[53:08] over the planet and that's part of the
[53:09] hopeful perspective
[53:11] that I have and that you share.
[53:14] >> Yeah it is hard I had you know we had
[53:16] just a similar we had someone run some
[53:18] statistics of where my work is
[53:22] is strongest where it's perceived. This
[53:25] is audio files video
[53:29] books all of that
[53:31] Romania is where my and I've I've been
[53:34] there a few times and they're beautiful
[53:36] people it's a wonderful audience I had
[53:38] no idea that I had the level of support
[53:40] that I do coming out of Romania. So, so
[53:43] I'm just
[53:45] confirming what you're saying. This is a
[53:46] global process. It's beyond politics.
[53:50] It's beyond borders. It's beyond
[53:52] religion. This is about us
[53:55] heart-to-heart, human-to-human, what we
[53:58] know is possible in our lives, what we
[53:59] want for our children. And
[54:02] I sense we're probably winding down
[54:04] here. I don't have a clock in front of
[54:05] me, but I think
[54:07] I think we're we're pretty close to to
[54:09] our time here. And I just want to leave
[54:11] people with that. Howard, you know, we
[54:14] don't see each other as much. We don't
[54:15] do these.
[54:17] We plan, and the truth is you never know
[54:19] when you get to do it, when you don't.
[54:21] So, I'm going to tell you right now, you
[54:23] know I love you. I love you dearly. A
[54:25] dear brother, if you were here with me
[54:27] today, I'd take you out for a little
[54:28] lunch and and we'd continue.
[54:31] >> Well, Greg, you know, the love is is
[54:33] mutual and respect and the honor of you
[54:35] and what you do. I hope that you
[54:39] have enjoyed our conversation today.
[54:40] Greg and I could go on. He's You made a
[54:42] point. I didn't even know what how long
[54:43] we've been talking. I didn't bother to
[54:45] pay attention with that today in our
[54:46] unscripted conversation, you know. And
[54:49] we could talk about so many things for a
[54:50] long time, but I hope that
[54:52] anyone like you who've been watching
[54:54] this
[54:55] got something of value today from what
[54:57] Greg and I shared. And um
[55:00] we'll try to do this again, you know.
[55:01] Maybe we'll do more of these. Maybe
[55:03] we'll create our own little podcast, you
[55:04] know, together or something that we do.
[55:06] The Greg and Howard show, you know.
[55:08] >> The big the big fun Greg and Howard
[55:10] show.
[55:10] >> We'll have our own have our [laughter]
[55:11] own podcast and do all that. But
[55:13] [clears throat] listen, you take care of
[55:14] yourself out there.