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Heart Intelligence, the Akashic Records, and What AI Can't Reach

Gregg Braden
Gregg Braden
Oct 1, 2026
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Two men who have known each other for 31 years sit down in front of a camera with no script, no producer calling cues, and no particular destination. The conversation starts as a friendly check-in and drifts, over fifty-odd minutes, into heart-brain coherence, the claim that every cell in the body gives off light, the question of whether artificial intelligence can reach the Akashic records, and the argument that the heart may change the world faster than electricity did. The video, published by Gregg Braden on October 1, 2026, features Braden and Howard Martin of the HeartMath organization. It is less a lecture than a working conversation between colleagues, and that looseness is what makes its ideas easier to follow than their scope would suggest.

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What does an unscripted conversation between two old colleagues look like?

The recording came out of a private talk. Martin explains that he and Braden had been chatting personally a couple of weeks before, and Braden suggested they record something. The plan was to talk about "whatever is on our hearts and our minds right now," and Martin describes it as a conversation between two people who love one another and are trying to help usher in a better world they sense is coming. Braden, for his part, says he is cherishing the moment because such open exchanges are rare, and that the aim is to bring their friendship and what they have learned to a wider community.

That framing matters for the rest of the hour. The speakers are not presenting a finished doctrine. They are reasoning out loud, returning to earlier claims, and checking whether those claims hold. The style asks the viewer to do the same.

Why did HeartMath choose science as its bridge?

The most useful passage for understanding the organization comes early, when Martin explains why HeartMath has spent more than three decades anchoring a heart-centered approach in research. Heart has been discussed for thousands of years, he says, yet it was not reaching daily life in a tangible enough way. So the organization made a deliberate choice:

"And so we chose science to be the bridge between the philosophical understanding that people have about heart and the day-to-day application of heart in their daily life."

Howard Martin, in Gregg Braden Official's video, October 1, 2026, around 7:00

The strategy is visible in the results the speakers cite. Martin points to 60,000 Dutch police officers who received HeartMath training, and to large corporations, medical settings, and military organizations that have brought the work inside. Braden adds an anecdote from an event where cardiac surgeons asked him, in effect, why they had never been taught any of this. His answer was that they were ahead of the curve, and that the material they were hearing was rock-solid science not yet carried into mainstream textbooks and classrooms.

"How come we don't know this stuff?"

Cardiac surgeons, as recounted by Gregg Braden in the video, around 3:45

That question is the hinge of the whole conversation. If the science is sound, why does it take a conference room full of physicians to hear it? Braden and Martin treat the gap between the research and the public understanding as the reason the work exists.

Is every cell in the body really a circuit of light?

The video's chapter "Every Cell Is a Tiny Circuit of Light" makes one of its boldest claims, and the description states the premise directly: every cell in the body is a tiny circuit that emits light. The conversation treats this as a shift in how the body is understood. Rather than seeing the human being through a purely mechanical lens, the speakers invite viewers to consider the body as an electromagnetic and luminous system, with the heart at the center of a signaling network.

It is worth being precise about what the video offers here. The claim is presented as part of the broader HeartMath research program, and the speakers frame it as an opening into the rest of the discussion rather than a closed proof. A reader who wants to evaluate the physics should go to the primary research directly, which the organization publishes. What the video gives is the reasoning that leads from cellular signaling to the heart as a coordinating organ.

Why can't AI reach the Akashic records?

This is the question that gives the video its title, and it sits at the 20:17 mark, where Braden begins to speak about his own history. The key moment is his line, "I was working in the defense industry as a civilian," which places him inside an earlier generation of computing. The title of the video, which describes Braden having worked with AI in the 1980s, carries that personal history into the argument.

The Akashic records are a concept from Theosophy and later New Thought, in which every thought and event is said to be recorded in a universal field. The chapter's claim is that AI, however powerful, cannot access that record. The video ties this to a larger proposition: that the heart is coupled to a field beyond time and space, a suggestion the video's description attributes to HeartMath research. Within that frame, a machine can process information, but it cannot take part in the kind of connection the heart is said to make.

The next chapter, "Your Brain Beats Any Processor," sharpens the contrast. The argument is not that computers are weak. It is that the human brain, coordinated with the heart, does something a processor does not. Readers who came for a technical rebuttal of AI will not find one here; the speakers are making a claim about the nature of knowing, and they lean on personal experience and research rather than benchmarks. That is worth noticing as a feature of the argument, and as a reason to weigh it on its own terms.

What does "the single eye of the heart" mean?

Around 30:42, under the chapter "One Word for the Heart in Two Traditions," Braden offers a gloss from a Sanskrit term: "Ishta means the single eye of the heart." The video uses the word to link a contemplative tradition with the HeartMath language of coherence. The point is that different cultures have long described the heart as a seat of perception and not only of feeling. The chapter "The Heart Is Not a Polarity Organ," which follows, pushes the idea further by rejecting a simple split between heart and mind, feeling and reason.

For a reader, the practical takeaway is that the heart in this conversation is not sentimental. It is described as an organ that organizes the whole system, and the words used for it in ancient traditions are being brought into line with the research.

How fast can heart intelligence change the world?

Near the middle of the hour, the chapter "Heart Intelligence: Faster Than Electricity" makes its boldest social prediction. The key moment at 38:15 puts it plainly: "It's going to happen faster than we think, just like electricity changed the world." The comparison is deliberate. Electricity reshaped daily life faster than most people anticipated, and the speakers argue that heart intelligence may follow a similar curve once enough people practice it.

Martin's account of the organization supports the optimism. He says HeartMath is in what he calls its biggest growth phase, and he notes that mature organizations usually plateau, which HeartMath has not done. "We're still growing, we're still changing, we're still evolving," he says. Whatever one makes of the prediction, the claim is tied to observable adoption: training programs, corporate and institutional partnerships, and the spread of the practices themselves.

What does daily practice look like?

The clearest evidence of the work being more than theory is the one the video calls out directly. At 27:36, the speakers describe 2,100 students who are led through HeartMath's Quick Coherence technique every morning. The practice is short and repeated, which is the point. Coherence, in this framing, is a state a person returns to, not a peak experience reached once a year.

This connects to the chapter "We Live What We Teach," which appears earlier and makes the same argument from the other direction: teachers must embody the coherence they describe. Braden and Martin do not present themselves as detached authorities. They present their friendship, their long working relationship, and their own practice as part of the evidence.

What is the world asking of us right now?

The later chapters widen the lens. "A Two-World Situation" and "The World Is Wound So Tight" describe a moment of strain, when change feels overwhelming. Braden points to cycles larger than individual lives, saying at about 40:41 that "we are part of" a larger set of rhythms, and the speakers suggest that how people respond to that pressure matters more than the pressure itself.

The conversation's closing chapters bring the argument to its moral center. "The Only Question: How Much Did I Love?" poses a question that asks for no technical answer, and it is followed by "Cooperation, Not Survival of the Fittest," which rejects the competitive model of social life in favor of cooperation. Braden's phrasing in the nearby passage fits the spirit: "what's important gets simpler." The video's last argument is that heart coherence is not a retreat from the world's problems but a way of meeting them.

Where to go from here

If the ideas in this conversation stirred something, the most direct next step is the research and practice that HeartMath publishes. The organization's page for Braden's work is at heartmath.com/greggbraden, and it is the place to see the heart-coherence techniques Braden and Martin describe. For the wider argument about consciousness, the Akashic records, and the heart's place in it, Braden's book PURE HUMAN, now in paperback, develops the themes at length. Watch the full video with the chapter markers in mind; the sections on AI, the single eye of the heart, and the question of love are the ones most worth replaying.

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[0:00] I consider HeartMath my family as well

[0:02] as my dear friends.

[0:04] Uh

[0:04] and the role that you have played also

[0:08] in doing it your way, you came along at

[0:11] a time where it been very easy to fold

[0:14] into this new thought and new age kind

[0:18] of um

[0:20] you know,

[0:21] uh just all kinds of feel-good kinds of

[0:23] stuff that was prevalent during the '90s

[0:27] and uh

[0:29] you and your team work very hard to to

[0:33] hold the line to keep HeartMath

[0:35] credible, uh

[0:37] to use rock-solid science underlying the

[0:40] conclusions that you were coming to and

[0:41] then to to break that science down into

[0:45] something very accessible to a broad

[0:48] general audience, making it easy for

[0:49] people to capitalize on that science and

[0:52] to embrace it to to become the best

[0:54] version of themselves and and ultimately

[0:57] create the best world possible. So, you

[0:59] and I have known one another 31 years

[1:01] we've worked together. Uh

[1:03] I admire you. I love you like a brother.

[1:05] And rarely do we have the opportunity to

[1:08] do what we're doing right now. So, I'm

[1:10] cherishing this moment. Uh we don't know

[1:13] where it's going to go. It's completely

[1:14] unscripted. And we just wanted to to

[1:18] bring our friendship and what we have

[1:21] learned uh

[1:23] individually and collectively to a

[1:26] larger community and hopefully it can

[1:27] help people in their everyday lives as

[1:29] well. So, how do Thank you for making

[1:31] some time in your life. I I hope you

[1:33] feel as good as you look, brother,

[1:35] because you're looking awesome on this

[1:36] camera.

[1:37] >> Yeah, this is unscripted. I mean, how

[1:38] this came about for you the viewer right

[1:40] now is that we were Greg and I were

[1:42] having a personal conversation a couple

[1:44] weeks ago and then Greg said, "We should

[1:46] record one of these." And this session

[1:48] is we're going to just talk about

[1:49] whatever is on our hearts and our minds

[1:51] right now. And uh there's plenty, I'm

[1:53] sure, for us to talk about. But just

[1:56] more of a candid conversation between

[1:57] the two of us. We do so many of these

[1:59] professional podcasts and and programs

[2:02] that we do, but that's not what this one

[2:04] is. This one is a conversation between

[2:06] two people who love one another that are

[2:08] in a similar field trying to do what we

[2:10] can to usher in this new and and better

[2:12] world that we all sense is is there and

[2:15] is coming.

[2:15] >> Yeah, so are you saying this is Are you

[2:17] Are you saying this is an unprofessional

[2:19] podcast?

[2:20] >> [laughter]

[2:21] >> We'll find out when it's done, you know.

[2:23] >> Well, you know how hard I I don't know

[2:25] if you know this. I You have been on the

[2:27] road in the past, and I know especially

[2:30] since the lockdown, since the pandemic,

[2:32] you have really focused a lot more in

[2:33] your your local community and in the

[2:37] HeartMath family

[2:39] building coherence and building some

[2:42] some new platforms, new techniques, and

[2:44] just really loving the world in the way

[2:47] that your work has led you to do. We've

[2:50] been all over the world, and what you

[2:53] may not know is that First of all,

[2:56] HeartMath is in the common vernacular

[3:00] throughout this world. When I say

[3:02] HeartMath and I ask for a show of hands,

[3:05] who Who knows HeartMath? More people

[3:07] raise their hands in those audiences

[3:09] than than do not. So, you have

[3:14] been very, very effective in bringing

[3:16] your brand and the technology and the

[3:20] possibilities of what it means to awaken

[3:23] the heart to not just to the American

[3:25] Heart Association and not even just to a

[3:26] New Thought audience, but these are

[3:29] medical students, they are college

[3:31] professors, they are certainly doctors.

[3:34] We had cardiac surgeons in um

[3:37] in one of our events, and I was sharing

[3:39] new discoveries, and and they were

[3:41] saying, "How come we don't know this

[3:42] stuff?" And I said, "Well, you know,

[3:44] you're here now because

[3:45] because you are ahead of the curve, and

[3:48] you always have been. So, you're sharing

[3:52] the foundation of rock-solid science

[3:54] that is yet to be carried in the

[3:55] mainstream textbooks and mainstream

[3:58] classrooms on the one hand.

[4:00] And on the other hand, Howard, it is

[4:02] precisely what we need, what the world

[4:06] needs, what our community needs right

[4:07] now to help us to navigate unprecedented

[4:12] changes in the world and to do it in a

[4:14] healthy way. But we're all going to go

[4:15] through it. The key is do we go through

[4:18] it in in a good way, in a healthy way?

[4:20] And and that's where HeartMath really

[4:21] comes in. So, I just wanted to let you

[4:23] know, uh people all over the world, they

[4:26] applaud you. They We as people stand up

[4:28] and applaud you in the audience. When I

[4:30] say, "How many people know Institute of

[4:31] HeartMath?"

[4:32] >> I have been out there less since the

[4:33] pandemic, going back out more now. As

[4:35] you know, um

[4:37] I'll be speaking at an event. You'll be

[4:38] there virtually, you know, the Heart and

[4:40] Leadership in Athens. It'll be coming up

[4:41] in October 30th through the 2nd of

[4:43] November. And it's a great example, that

[4:46] event, of events that I think are

[4:48] meaningful for me right now. It is going

[4:50] to be a very progressive audience, for

[4:52] sure. But there going to be other

[4:53] speakers like yourself, for example, and

[4:55] Ariana Huffington will be there

[4:56] virtually. But other speakers from

[4:58] around the world that are leaders, men

[5:00] and women who've created extraordinary

[5:02] changes and success in their

[5:04] organizations, but they did it

[5:06] differently.

[5:07] >> Mhm.

[5:07] >> They're bringing in new understanding,

[5:09] new intuitive intelligence, new

[5:11] qualities of the heart associated with

[5:12] being leaders. Now, that works for me.

[5:15] It's new thought in a way, but it's also

[5:18] very pragmatic in a way. You know, it's

[5:20] about how do we

[5:21] use our organizations um to create the

[5:24] type of changes that are going to affect

[5:26] society, you know, the societal impact

[5:28] of this type of thinking. Not just the

[5:31] thinking itself, but the manifestation

[5:33] of that in large scale, you know? And

[5:36] that excites me, you know, to have um

[5:38] you know, an opportunity to be at a

[5:39] conference like that, you know, in in

[5:41] Athens and to be with those kind of

[5:43] extraordinary speakers. So, yeah, it's

[5:46] HeartMath's footprint's out there. I get

[5:48] it, you know, and uh I'm real proud of

[5:50] that, you know, all the people here, the

[5:52] all my my

[5:54] associates here at HeartMath tirelessly

[5:56] work for over 30 years to introduce a

[5:59] new understanding of heart to the world.

[6:01] Both the psychological and physiological

[6:04] understanding of that and then to apply

[6:06] it across so many societal sectors. So

[6:09] that's been cool. And what's actually

[6:12] really interesting about it is that you

[6:14] know,

[6:14] we're a mature organization now. We've

[6:16] been doing this over what, 36 years or

[6:19] something? And by now an organization

[6:22] usually tops out, you know, they've done

[6:24] what they've done, they've established

[6:26] what they wanted to establish and they

[6:27] fade off into the sunset with and all

[6:30] that. That's not us. We're still

[6:31] growing, we're still changing, we're

[6:33] still evolving. We're going through the

[6:34] biggest growth phase in the history of

[6:37] HeartMath right now. And so there's more

[6:39] to come, I guess is what I'm trying to

[6:41] say. And I think that you've touched on

[6:44] HeartMath science. We should probably

[6:45] talk about that and your relationship to

[6:47] it. You've been a big proponent and and

[6:50] very helpful in spreading this word

[6:52] about what we do. But you know, when we

[6:55] started HeartMath, we recognized that if

[6:58] we were going to introduce a heart-based

[7:00] system into an often relatively

[7:02] heartless world, we had to do it

[7:05] differently. Heart had already been

[7:07] talked about for thousands of years, but

[7:09] yet we felt it was not making it into

[7:11] daily life in a in a

[7:12] in an enough tangible way.

[7:15] And so we chose science to be the bridge

[7:18] between the philosophical understanding

[7:19] that people have about heart and the

[7:21] day-to-day application of heart in their

[7:24] daily life. So science became an

[7:26] important part of of what we are and and

[7:29] what we've done and it's given us the

[7:31] ability to be in these mainstream

[7:33] scenarios, you know, like we've trained

[7:35] like 60,000 Dutch police officers. Every

[7:38] Dutch police officer has received some

[7:40] some HeartMath training for example, you

[7:42] know, or in large corporations or many

[7:46] other types of mainstream organizations,

[7:48] military, for example.

[7:50] And the science is what did that. You

[7:52] know, just talking about heart, talking

[7:54] about, you know, love and care and

[7:56] compassion, they're all extremely

[7:58] important characteristics that need to

[7:59] be looked at differently.

[8:01] But the bridge to accepting that

[8:05] was a bridge born from heart, excuse me,

[8:07] from science, from understanding the

[8:09] physiological mechanisms by which the

[8:11] heart communicates with the brain and

[8:13] the rest of the body.

[8:14] >> Now, well, this is where it gets really

[8:16] exciting, Howard, because in these last

[8:18] 30 years,

[8:19] uh the scientific community, the medical

[8:23] community is looking at the human body

[8:26] from a very, very different perspective

[8:28] than what they were when you and I

[8:30] first, first met. And that has direct

[8:33] [clears throat] consequences for the

[8:34] role of the heart in in the human body.

[8:36] So, so what I mean by that, and this is

[8:39] fascinating to me, when when I was a kid

[8:41] growing up, 1950s, '60s, early '70s, I

[8:44] was in school,

[8:45] we were always taught that the human

[8:47] body,

[8:48] uh we studied it through biology and

[8:51] thought about sticky, wet, gooey, mushy

[8:54] DNA and cells and, you know, and that is

[8:57] one way of looking at the body. But what

[8:59] happened about 15 years ago was

[9:02] scientists, some scientists began

[9:05] looking at the human body from an IT

[9:08] perspective, information technology.

[9:11] So, in other words, they were looking at

[9:13] our biology as the equivalents of

[9:17] technological components that we see in

[9:20] our computers and in our, you know, our,

[9:23] our high-tech equipment. So, we know,

[9:26] for example, there's about 50 trillion

[9:27] cells in the average human body. What

[9:30] they now know is every one of those

[9:32] cells is literally, not a metaphor, it's

[9:34] literally a little microcircuit. It's

[9:37] got an input, it's got an output. It

[9:39] creates a voltage about .07 volts.

[9:43] We have the equivalent of transistors

[9:45] and resistors and capacitors in our

[9:47] cells. The we are photon emitters. We're

[9:52] emitting photons of light bio bio

[9:55] photons. We're We're receiving those.

[9:58] That our DNA stores information the way

[10:01] that blockchain technology is being used

[10:03] to today decentralized all over the

[10:05] world and I could go on and on. But

[10:08] what's fascinating

[10:09] is this technology. We're the only form

[10:12] of life that

[10:14] we know of today with the ability to

[10:17] self-regulate

[10:19] all of the potential

[10:20] within this what is now being called

[10:23] soft technology.

[10:25] >> Mhm.

[10:26] >> A lot of people when we think about

[10:27] technology, you you think of of silicon

[10:30] chips and wires and

[10:33] uh and you know, surface manic

[10:35] components. We're so much more than

[10:37] that, Howard. We're so much more

[10:39] advanced. We are neurons and we are cell

[10:42] membranes and we're DNA and we

[10:45] self-regulate

[10:47] these components through what are called

[10:50] epigenetic triggers and there are seven

[10:53] primary epigenetic triggers, thought,

[10:55] feeling, emotion, breath, focus,

[10:58] nutrition, and movement. And here's

[11:01] where this becomes very relevant. Five

[11:03] of those triggers are directly linked to

[11:06] the human heart. And this I think is why

[11:09] this is the bridge. Our most ancient and

[11:12] cherished indigenous and cultural and

[11:16] healing

[11:18] uh and spiritual traditions focus upon

[11:20] the heart

[11:22] in a language that's not scientific, but

[11:25] it certainly can be effective.

[11:27] Uh before science, these people

[11:29] understood their relationship to the

[11:30] heart and now the science is showing us

[11:33] why the heart can be the the the key,

[11:39] the foundation for all of these

[11:41] extraordinary experiences, things like

[11:43] super immune response,

[11:45] uh super longevity, um

[11:47] super resilience to change, super

[11:49] memory, super cognition, super recall,

[11:52] and so much more. And these are the very

[11:56] attributes that help us to become the

[11:59] best version of ourselves, ultimately to

[12:02] create the best world possible,

[12:04] and in a very relevant sense, they're

[12:07] what help get us through these

[12:09] extraordinary changes that we're seeing

[12:11] in the world. If we feel powerless, we

[12:14] feel that we're powerless victims of

[12:15] changing world could be very scary.

[12:18] But if we feel that we have the ability

[12:22] to unlock and awaken these these

[12:25] extraordinary potentials within our

[12:27] bodies, then we're less reliant

[12:30] on the world around us, and we can kind

[12:33] of sit back and let the world go through

[12:35] its changes, and we know we're okay, and

[12:37] we can care for ourselves and our

[12:38] families. And And that's what HeartMath

[12:41] uh helps us to do, and that's why I'm so

[12:43] grateful for you trusting me to share

[12:47] your technology through my language with

[12:50] our community worldwide for 31 years

[12:53] now.

[12:54] >> Well, that was fascinating. You know, I

[12:56] hope you, the viewer right now, can see

[12:58] why we wanted to record one of our

[12:59] conversations. This is what [laughter]

[13:00] happens when he and I get together. We

[13:02] begin to explore these various things.

[13:05] And you're right. And I think one of the

[13:06] key things you said uh was that we have

[13:08] the ability to self-regulate these

[13:10] things.

[13:11] And that's important to understand, is

[13:13] that we are not powerless. We are moving

[13:15] into a new era where our consciousness

[13:17] is allowing us to see how empowered we

[13:19] really are. That we are co-creative

[13:21] beings. We are interfacing with the

[13:23] field of consciousness through our

[13:25] thoughts and our feelings and our

[13:26] perceptions, and we're making choices

[13:28] that feed that field and then that field

[13:30] reflects back to us. Uh what in turn

[13:33] becomes our view of reality. And so

[13:35] yeah, we can see the world as a scary

[13:37] place and yeah, there's plenty to be

[13:38] scared of. There's plenty of things

[13:40] going on in the world today that can

[13:41] create that anxiety and that sense of of

[13:44] fear.

[13:45] At the same time, we can also begin to

[13:48] see the world and the changes we're

[13:49] going through as a great opportunity to

[13:52] grow and to change and to create

[13:53] something new unlike

[13:56] ever before in the history of humankind,

[13:58] you know? So it becomes a matter of

[14:00] choice moment to moment day to day

[14:02] depending on how we are approaching our

[14:04] view of the world.

[14:06] That's where heart really plays an

[14:07] important role. You know, in terms of

[14:10] specially nervous system regulation and

[14:13] regulation of our emotions.

[14:16] We see the world not through what we

[14:18] think, but we see the world through how

[14:19] we feel. You know, it's through the

[14:21] emotional nature that we have. And we

[14:24] have the most sophisticated emotional

[14:27] capacity of any living thing on this

[14:29] planet. It's what makes us unique.

[14:31] Which makes us so very very special.

[14:34] And yet very often we see ourselves as

[14:36] victims of our emotions. We see emotion

[14:39] only as reaction. We don't necessarily

[14:41] see it as choice.

[14:43] But as we begin to expand our

[14:45] perceptions and our awareness and our

[14:46] consciousness,

[14:48] we begin to develop a new understanding

[14:50] and new capacity to utilize those

[14:53] emotions to create new visions, new

[14:56] pictures of the world and the power and

[14:58] the resilience

[15:00] to actually take the steps forward that

[15:01] we know we need to take. And heart plays

[15:03] a role in every single bit of that,

[15:05] which relates to what you were saying

[15:07] about physiology, the biology, the

[15:09] information, uh the I love that thing,

[15:12] the IT approach to health. That was

[15:13] amazing, you know?

[15:15] Uh it begins to to provide some

[15:17] practical understanding and and cadence,

[15:19] so to speak, to bring those

[15:21] understandings into daily life.

[15:24] >> Wow. Well, it's you know, this is I I

[15:26] think why for both of us. You mentioned

[15:29] longevity in terms of of our presence in

[15:34] in the world. And and I appreciate you

[15:36] recognizing that, Howard. You know,

[15:38] early on in my career

[15:40] uh for I was a musician long before I

[15:43] was ever an author. And I didn't know

[15:46] that what I'm doing now is going to be

[15:47] my life's work. Uh I I felt I had

[15:51] something useful that could help people

[15:54] in their lives and I wanted to share it.

[15:56] I didn't know where where that was going

[15:57] to go. And I was surrounded by people

[16:00] that had preconceived ideas of how these

[16:03] things work. And and they they expected

[16:07] me

[16:08] uh and I think you as as a corporation

[16:11] as well to to do what you mentioned, to

[16:15] to kind of reach a peak or what they

[16:17] would call the crest of the wave.

[16:19] >> Yeah.

[16:20] >> And they were all trying to to jockey to

[16:23] be with me when I reached the the crest

[16:26] of my wave, my publishers, my publicity

[16:29] people, my book marketing people. And I

[16:32] told them, I said, "Hey, I don't want to

[16:33] bum you out, but there is no crest of

[16:35] this wave." I said, "We are strong and

[16:38] steady. I'm in it for for the duration

[16:43] uh however long I'm I'm blessed to be in

[16:45] this world now."

[16:46] And

[16:47] the reason that they were thinking the

[16:50] way they were thinking is because most

[16:52] people have one idea that they rehash

[16:55] again and again and again in their

[16:56] career.

[16:58] And pretty soon that that idea is is

[17:00] reaches saturation point. And I told my

[17:03] publishers, I said,

[17:05] "I am drawing on a living body of

[17:07] information. It will never be exhausted.

[17:10] Uh my job is to recognize

[17:14] how that evolving every evolving

[17:18] information fits into our lives, into

[17:20] our world, and then convey that

[17:23] in a way that

[17:25] is accessible and makes sense to people,

[17:27] you know, something they can use in in

[17:28] their everyday lives. So, I never

[17:30] reached the crest of my wave. Uh

[17:34] my work is now This is This is the 46th

[17:37] year I've been this work now.

[17:39] In one Yeah, one one form or another.

[17:42] Um

[17:44] My first public talk was 1986 at a

[17:46] little bookstore in Denver, Colorado

[17:48] called the Open Door Bookstore.

[17:50] And and I recognize the same for you,

[17:52] Howard. They

[17:54] Your company

[17:56] uh is evolving and the people First of

[17:59] all, we live what we teach. And so, from

[18:02] just a physical perspective for our age

[18:05] group, we're

[18:06] we're not doing what a lot of people in

[18:08] our age group are doing. I feel better

[18:10] now than I did when I was in my 40s.

[18:13] Uh I had I had an invitation Somebody

[18:15] wants to give me a lifetime achievement

[18:17] award, and I said, "Well, you can't do

[18:18] that cuz I'm not done yet, you know?"

[18:20] >> [laughter]

[18:21] >> I said, "Wait Wait Wait till the end of

[18:23] the lifetime, and then you can give me

[18:24] my award."

[18:25] >> [laughter]

[18:26] >> I got something I want to ask you about.

[18:28] >> Yeah.

[18:28] >> We didn't talk about it last time we

[18:29] were together, and it's like, you know,

[18:31] in you know, pure human, I read your

[18:32] book, and it's been out for a while now,

[18:34] and just it blew up. It's been a very

[18:36] successful book. And in the book, it was

[18:38] about AI in a sense and about the

[18:40] threats of AI in a way, but also the you

[18:42] know, the the opportunity that we have,

[18:45] you know, to create our own and you

[18:46] know, involvement in our own evolution

[18:48] of our intelligence. And the book's been

[18:50] out a while now. You've been touring

[18:51] around the book and all of that, and I'd

[18:53] like to know what your perspective is on

[18:55] all that are today, you know, how do you

[18:57] feel about the where things are with

[18:59] >> Well, you know, this is

[19:01] >> Thank you for that, Howard, and I've

[19:02] actually um

[19:04] I've caught a little heat from this in

[19:06] my community because there are many

[19:09] people in our community

[19:11] that are being asked to chime in on AI

[19:15] and they're they're doing so from a

[19:18] well-intentioned place.

[19:21] And what I'm going to say as this is not

[19:22] about making anyone wrong. That's not

[19:25] what this is about, but they don't

[19:27] really understand the AI. So, they are

[19:30] are attributing experiences to AI

[19:33] falsely.

[19:35] Uh

[19:36] they are believing that the AI is

[19:41] is somehow

[19:44] the word sentient comes up a lot.

[19:46] >> Absolutely.

[19:47] >> Yeah, but it but it's more than that.

[19:48] They believe that the AI can

[19:51] evaluate our spiritual evolution. You

[19:53] log on to an AI and the AI will tell you

[19:56] what an evolved being you are and how

[19:57] many past lives you've had and

[20:00] and things like that.

[20:02] So, AI is not new. A lot of people don't

[20:05] know that. The first papers were written

[20:07] in 1934.

[20:09] Uh and again in the 1950s

[20:11] by Alan Turing, the the very famous he

[20:14] did the the Turing test to determine if

[20:18] a machine is intelligent or not.

[20:21] Uh I was working in the defense industry

[20:24] as a civilian. I was DOD civilian

[20:28] with a clearance in the Cold War during

[20:30] 1980s.

[20:32] We were using AI in the '80s. A lot of

[20:34] people don't know that.

[20:36] Uh it was developed behind the scenes,

[20:38] you know, by DARPA because they had the

[20:39] funding and they had the equipment

[20:42] unlimited. Uh it was nowhere near what

[20:44] it is now, but the reason I'm saying

[20:46] this is I had the opportunity to to be

[20:49] in a foundational phase and understand

[20:52] how AI works.

[20:54] There is no interface between the code

[20:59] and the processor, the chip,

[21:02] and the field

[21:04] of our consciousness, our spiritual

[21:07] evolution, or want to call it the

[21:08] Akashic record, or whatever it is. AI is

[21:11] amazing. And I think it's going to solve

[21:13] some of the the greatest problems.

[21:16] Probably

[21:17] uh unify the four fundamental forces of

[21:20] of nature that have yet to be done and

[21:22] and unified field theory.

[21:24] AI cannot evaluate our our spiritual

[21:29] evolution.

[21:30] Uh and people that are looking

[21:33] and claiming that they are doing that,

[21:35] um my take has been problematic

[21:40] for them because I'm not supporting some

[21:42] of the claims that that are out there.

[21:44] I think AI is um

[21:48] uh

[21:49] I think it is probably the most profound

[21:51] technology

[21:52] that's ever been dumped into the lap of

[21:55] a broad

[21:56] civilian population.

[21:59] We have been given this technology with

[22:01] no guardrails and no instructions.

[22:04] And for an uninformed population to have

[22:09] that kind of power without the

[22:10] guardrails to know how to use it, we're

[22:13] seeing problems. We're seeing young

[22:15] people

[22:16] who feel disenfranchised

[22:20] in the world and feel like AI is their

[22:23] only friend.

[22:24] So they're developing emotional

[22:26] relationships with code that is coming

[22:29] through to them.

[22:31] Uh and very sadly, some of those young

[22:33] people have difficult lives and they

[22:35] share that with the AI and say what

[22:38] should I do? And the AI comes back and

[22:40] says, "Based on what you've told me,

[22:42] it's hopeless." I mean, the AI is

[22:43] telling them that. And we've all heard

[22:46] the sad stories and they're in the news

[22:48] and there's some legal precedents. Young

[22:50] people have have uh have taken their own

[22:52] lives based on what was coming back. And

[22:54] that's

[22:55] the tech is never right, wrong, good, or

[22:56] bad. It's the thinking underlying how

[23:00] that technology is used. And

[23:02] uh and I think we owe it to we've got to

[23:04] take care of our kids Howard. We've got

[23:06] to care for our kids

[23:08] because they don't know how precious

[23:11] they are they don't understand

[23:13] the the deep truth of what it means to

[23:16] be human and the extraordinary

[23:18] capacities within them. They have been

[23:21] raised in a world where they've been led

[23:23] to believe that they are broken and they

[23:25] need something outside of themselves to

[23:28] be successful and and the technology is

[23:30] that something. So if you're a young

[23:32] person and your sense of well-being and

[23:36] your your sense of purpose and life and

[23:39] success hinges on an external technology

[23:43] that has consequences that we are are

[23:47] now beginning to understand. So I think

[23:50] we're in this

[23:51] in this

[23:53] early phase this evolutionary phase

[23:56] where we're learning what it means to

[23:58] have this kind of power at our

[24:00] fingertips

[24:01] in a civilian population where in the

[24:03] past it was always behind the scenes for

[24:06] the government and the military.

[24:08] And um

[24:10] and it all comes down this is where our

[24:12] work is so vital Howard because it all

[24:14] comes down to the way we think of

[24:16] ourselves. No one is telling our young

[24:19] people

[24:21] how rare and precious and powerful and

[24:25] yet delicate and fragile yet resilient

[24:29] the human body is and of the capacity

[24:32] I'm just going to quote this is Rollin

[24:34] McCraty your chief scientist contributed

[24:38] to an article

[24:39] that I've quoted so many times. I'm

[24:41] going to do this from memory. It's in

[24:42] the Journal of Complementary and

[24:43] Alternative Medicine.

[24:45] >> Mhm.

[24:45] >> And there's a quote that says quote

[24:48] there is compelling evidence to suggest

[24:50] that the human heart is coupled to a

[24:52] field of information

[24:55] that is not limited by the laws of

[24:58] physics. Okay, by the laws of time and

[25:01] space. End of quote. That means there's

[25:04] a part of us that transcends the limits

[25:07] of physics. I mean,

[25:09] think about what that [clears throat]

[25:09] means. That's

[25:11] that's why heart intelligence

[25:14] is so extraordinary because it can reach

[25:17] into that field and help us to

[25:19] understand

[25:21] our relationships and what's happening

[25:24] in our bodies. Nobody's telling young

[25:26] young people that.

[25:27] The The Salk Institute, Northern

[25:30] California, actually ran studies

[25:32] comparing human brain to computer

[25:35] microprocessors.

[25:37] And the bottom line is the the

[25:39] processors are fast, yes. They're

[25:40] efficient, yes.

[25:42] They're not scalable and the human brain

[25:44] is a hundredfold more efficient than

[25:45] those computer processors are. And when

[25:49] I tell young people that, they're blown

[25:50] away because they've been taught to

[25:53] worship the chip in the AI. So, I think

[25:57] we're at a point where we're finding

[26:01] it's like a pendulum.

[26:03] It swings so far in one direction of

[26:05] technology. We're going to find the

[26:06] middle ground where we respect

[26:10] and honor and cherish the gift of the

[26:12] body to a greater degree and allow the

[26:15] AI and the tech to serve us

[26:18] rather than becoming enslaved by the

[26:20] technology. And

[26:23] I'll just stop there. I I think that's

[26:24] where we are right now.

[26:25] >> Well, that's really an upgrade and a

[26:27] rethinking around all that. I do agree

[26:29] with most everything that you've said.

[26:31] And you know, I don't have a whole lot

[26:32] to add to the AI narrative that's

[26:34] happening right now. This has been

[26:36] talked about and written about ad

[26:37] nauseam. I think we know there's a great

[26:39] opportunity and a great risk. It's the

[26:41] most disruptive technology we've ever

[26:43] ever been introduced to the world. And

[26:46] anytime anything like that's introduced,

[26:47] it goes through a goes through phases,

[26:50] you know, where it needs to mature in

[26:53] its understanding and adoption and

[26:54] application needs to mature and we're in

[26:56] a very tenuous spot right now, you know.

[26:59] I'm glad you mentioned children and

[27:01] also heart intelligence, you know, I was

[27:03] going to build that bridge myself as you

[27:05] know, and I'll get to the heart

[27:06] intelligence piece in a minute but I

[27:08] heard something the other night from

[27:09] Jeff Goins who works at HeartMath

[27:11] Institute in the education division

[27:13] there and he said something that that

[27:15] was really fun for me and it's really

[27:17] inspirational to hear and it's happening

[27:19] in your backyard. He talked He talked

[27:21] about a school he's working with in

[27:22] Albuquerque.

[27:24] It's I think a charter school and most

[27:26] of the children are very under

[27:27] privileged in that school.

[27:29] They have adopted HeartMath into that

[27:32] school to the point where

[27:34] every morning

[27:36] through the intercom system in the

[27:37] school, 2100 students are led through

[27:40] the HeartMath quick coherence technique.

[27:44] They've also built in training these

[27:45] students to use the power of pause, you

[27:48] know, to pause in between their classes

[27:50] as they're going from one class to the

[27:52] other. They've trained them how to do

[27:54] that if they want to. How to reconnect

[27:56] with the heart going from one phase of

[27:58] their educational day to the next. They

[28:01] have purchased 500 HeartMath coherence

[28:03] plus sensors which go with the HeartMath

[28:05] app and once a week they give those

[28:08] sensors out to the students that want it

[28:10] and they practice with that learning how

[28:11] to increase their coherence, you know,

[28:13] practice with the technology. A great

[28:15] use of technology. So, these are ways in

[28:18] which the young people are getting a bit

[28:20] different education

[28:22] around understanding what they have

[28:24] inside themselves, you know, and what

[28:26] they can can utilize and bring to the

[28:28] surface to you know, to recognize that

[28:30] they are not broken.

[28:32] You know, to recognize that they are

[28:34] okay and that they have potential and

[28:36] opportunities to make tremendous

[28:37] contributions not only to themselves but

[28:39] to the world. That was inspirational for

[28:41] me to hear and there's many many stories

[28:43] like that. That one really was

[28:45] interesting to me. I thought about 2100

[28:47] students every morning, you know,

[28:49] practicing the quick coherence technique

[28:51] coming through the intercom system

[28:52] [clears throat] at the school, you know.

[28:53] >> [laughter]

[28:54] >> Yeah,

[28:55] that's why who thought of that, right?

[28:56] You know?

[28:56] >> Well, you know, when I was in school it

[28:58] was the pledge of allegiance coming

[28:59] through that intercom. I'd rather do

[29:00] heart coherence, you know. So, you may

[29:04] not know I didn't know about that. This

[29:05] is my backyard and I'd love to find out

[29:07] and maybe pay him a visit. What you may

[29:09] not know is before the breakdown

[29:14] that we're currently seeing in the

[29:15] Middle East, I was leading groups into

[29:18] the Holy Lands.

[29:19] And there are schools that have been

[29:21] built to bring together Christians and

[29:25] Coptics and Muslims, all all young

[29:29] people. And they're using HeartMath in

[29:32] those schools

[29:33] and they're all practicing this heart

[29:35] coherence.

[29:37] One of the most powerful pieces of of

[29:39] heart coherence and I hear people talk

[29:41] about this very little

[29:42] is that when we view the world through

[29:45] our brain. Our brain is a polarity

[29:47] organ, left and right brain. We're

[29:49] always going to see right and wrong and

[29:50] good and bad and success and failure and

[29:53] healed and sick and worthy and not

[29:56] worthy.

[29:57] When we create that coherence, the the

[30:00] heart is um

[30:02] is not a polarity organ. I'm hesitating

[30:05] a little bit on how deep to go with

[30:06] this. Part part of my blood, my DNA on

[30:09] my father's side was Southeastern

[30:11] Cherokee. So, I have Cherokee blood

[30:14] within me and I I have spent some time

[30:17] exploring that part of my heritage.

[30:19] And one of the fascinating things,

[30:20] Aaron, I think you and I may have spoken

[30:23] about this years ago

[30:24] is in in the Cherokee tradition, they

[30:27] have a word that doesn't even exist in

[30:29] the English language for the ability of

[30:32] the heart to see beyond the polarity of

[30:36] the brain to see what's true. And that

[30:39] word is called Shanti Ishta. Shanti

[30:42] Ishta means the single eye of the heart.

[30:45] Now, where this is really interesting is

[30:47] Lakota Sioux is a completely different

[30:51] indigenous community. They have exactly

[30:54] the same word that means exactly the

[30:56] same thing in their tradition,

[30:59] uh Shanti Ishta.

[31:01] So, when these young people are able to

[31:04] view

[31:06] their history and their culture and what

[31:09] their parents tell them about the land

[31:13] and, you know, all of the strife that's

[31:15] going on, when they can hear that

[31:17] through the heart

[31:20] without the polarities of the judgment

[31:22] of the rightness or the wrongness,

[31:24] >> Mhm.

[31:25] >> doesn't negate what's happened and it

[31:27] doesn't justify in any way. What it does

[31:31] is it allows the individual

[31:34] This is so so powerful to to move beyond

[31:40] the polarities of what has happened, the

[31:42] rightness and the wrongness,

[31:44] to to view objectively and to make

[31:48] objective choices and decisions in a

[31:50] healthy way. What's healthy for them,

[31:53] for their families, for their

[31:54] communities, for the the other kids that

[31:57] are with them. And this is why I have so

[31:59] much faith in the in the young

[32:01] generation, not just in the Middle East,

[32:03] throughout the world.

[32:04] I think our job, if if we're not going

[32:06] to heal the world in this generation,

[32:10] our job is to to keep us from destroying

[32:12] the world long enough for that young

[32:14] generation

[32:16] who become now, and they are, they're

[32:17] coming into the voting age where they

[32:20] can vote for the kinds of policies. They

[32:23] know what happened in the past and they

[32:25] want more. They

[32:27] they want to play soccer with people

[32:30] from other nations. They want to make

[32:32] music with people from other nations.

[32:34] They They want to drum and dance. And

[32:37] you know, that's the human It's the

[32:38] human experience and moving out of

[32:42] the polarity of the brain, the rightness

[32:44] and the wrongness,

[32:46] into this coherent state where we can

[32:49] objectively

[32:50] view and experience and and make choices

[32:54] and decisions

[32:55] uh

[32:56] on a cultural level. I mean, I I think

[32:58] this is probably one of the most

[32:59] underrated potentials of what you and

[33:02] and HeartMath has bring to the world.

[33:04] >> You've just described your description

[33:06] of heart intelligence and some of the

[33:07] applications, you know. I mean, we have

[33:09] this intelligence and we've been

[33:11] unfolding it and folding it in in

[33:13] science and unfolding it in application

[33:15] for a long time now that we call heart

[33:17] intelligence. It is a very high-speed

[33:20] and an intuitive intelligence. It is an

[33:22] intelligence that's born that gives

[33:24] birth to the emotional qualities that we

[33:27] know are beneficial ones, the ones that

[33:28] we revere the most, ones that benefit us

[33:31] uh in so many different ways, including

[33:33] right down to our physiology. And those

[33:35] being emotions like care, kindness,

[33:38] compassion, honor, dignity,

[33:40] non-judgment, love, and a whole list of

[33:42] these type of emotional qualities. And

[33:44] they're all representative of what we

[33:46] call heart intelligence, you know.

[33:48] Heart intelligence is unfolding just

[33:50] like AI is, you know. It's necessary. We

[33:54] have to have this new enfoldment of this

[33:55] intelligence that will move us into the

[33:57] new beings that we are intended to be,

[33:59] you know. And will give us the ability

[34:01] to better understand and harness, you

[34:04] know, the power of this new outer

[34:06] technology that's coming in.

[34:08] And my belief is that, you know, that

[34:11] enfoldment of heart intelligence is also

[34:13] happening at super high speed right now

[34:15] in overt and also subtle ways within

[34:17] people all around the planet. It's part

[34:21] of the evolutionary imperative of our

[34:22] time.

[34:24] HeartMath plays a role in that. We

[34:25] provide some structures, some tools and

[34:27] techniques, some trainings, some

[34:28] technology to measure coherence, and you

[34:31] know, some science to support it all.

[34:32] But it's much bigger than that. It's an

[34:34] unfolding of a new consciousness, and

[34:36] it's happening simultaneous to the

[34:38] chaos, confusion, and challenges that

[34:40] the world's going through, and also in

[34:43] the introduction of AI.

[34:45] And, you know, I've said before, I said,

[34:47] you know,

[34:49] probably the greatest discovery in the

[34:52] history of the world over the last, I

[34:54] don't know, couple hundred years was

[34:55] actually discovery of electricity.

[34:58] You know, when electricity was finally

[35:00] discovered and then learned to be

[35:01] harnessed, everything changed, and it

[35:03] changed really, really quickly. The

[35:05] world before electricity and the world

[35:06] after electricity, completely different,

[35:08] and it happened in a very short amount

[35:10] of time. Same as the intelligence of the

[35:12] heart is unfolding at super high speed

[35:14] all around the world. It's part of the

[35:15] evolutionary imperative of the times

[35:17] that we're living in. It's a change in

[35:19] consciousness, it's the evolution in

[35:21] consciousness that's taking place.

[35:23] We see the challenges on the outside,

[35:25] the chaos, the confusion, the division,

[35:27] the polarizations resulting in wars,

[35:29] conflicts, social inequity, planetary

[35:33] climate issues, all those things.

[35:36] At the same time, there's a new

[35:38] intelligence unfolding in people that I

[35:40] also see.

[35:42] People around the world who are thinking

[35:44] differently, feeling differently, acting

[35:46] differently. Their values have changed,

[35:48] what they want has changed. They're

[35:50] putting the time and the energy into

[35:52] making these changes within themselves

[35:54] and contributing to society as well. So,

[35:56] all this is happening in parallel. It's

[35:58] It's clear to me we're living in what I

[36:00] call a two-world situation right now,

[36:02] you know.

[36:03] We have two worlds that are happening on

[36:04] the same planet at the same time. Heart

[36:07] intelligence is at the core of that, the

[36:09] unfolding of this intelligence, the

[36:11] development of heart intelligence.

[36:13] And that's what we've been doing for

[36:15] many years at HeartMath, providing some

[36:16] structure and some technology and some

[36:18] science around how you actually go about

[36:20] doing that, you know. But, it's bigger

[36:22] than us, you know. We're contributing to

[36:24] it, but it's also a big big energetic

[36:27] wave and momentum

[36:29] and the changes in consciousness itself.

[36:31] We're going to have to continue to

[36:32] develop that in order to

[36:36] do things like better understand how

[36:38] we're going to manage AI.

[36:41] How's AI going to be

[36:43] the technology that that again can

[36:45] create a huge amount of positive change,

[36:48] but also can be extremely detrimental.

[36:50] How are we going to guide that that the

[36:51] process? We're not going to do it

[36:53] through normal logical linear

[36:55] intelligence.

[36:57] We're not going to do it through the

[36:58] brain

[36:59] doing its its, you know,

[37:02] polarization thing, you know. It

[37:04] requires a different intelligence, more

[37:05] high-speed, more intuitive in nature

[37:08] that gives us the width and breadth of

[37:10] insight that we need to have to better

[37:12] understand what we're facing and then

[37:14] how to make the changes in it that we

[37:16] need to make to utilize things like AI

[37:18] and to solve some of the world's

[37:20] challenges and and problems in a new and

[37:22] different way.

[37:23] I'm hopeful.

[37:25] And I'll remain excited and I'll remain

[37:27] positive that this is actually

[37:29] occurring. Early in our conversation,

[37:31] you talked about the change that's going

[37:32] to happen anyway. It becomes a matter of

[37:34] how we go through it. My terminology on

[37:37] that is that we have

[37:39] we have some choice about how that

[37:40] happens.

[37:42] Change is going to happen in it whether

[37:44] we like it or not. The choices we have

[37:46] contribute to how kind and gentle the

[37:48] process that can actually be.

[37:51] And it's through the manifestation of

[37:53] love

[37:55] and the qualities associated with love

[37:57] infused into how we walk in this world

[38:00] to get that job done.

[38:02] And so, I do see more of those qualities

[38:04] showing up and manifesting in people.

[38:06] I do see the changes that are happening

[38:08] and I do see the enfoldment of heart.

[38:10] And as heart intelligence unfolds more,

[38:13] it's going to create change like we've

[38:14] never seen before in a good way.

[38:17] And and and it's going to happen faster

[38:18] than we think. Just like electricity

[38:20] changed the world faster than we could

[38:22] have imagined, Heart's going to change

[38:24] the world in the same way.

[38:26] >> Yeah, well, I think it has to, Howard.

[38:27] You know, I'm

[38:29] my primary I'm a geophysicist by degree

[38:32] and I was taught to be a systems

[38:35] thinker.

[38:37] And what a systems thinker does is look

[38:38] at the big big big picture, zoom out

[38:41] from the everyday

[38:42] ins and outs and ups and downs and look

[38:44] at the big picture

[38:46] to see the context and then you zoom in

[38:49] on the nanosecond of right now to see

[38:51] where it fits into the big picture.

[38:53] >> Yeah.

[38:54] >> None of the things we're talking about

[38:56] are happening in a vacuum. It's no

[38:58] accident that we are awakening to the

[39:02] truth of the extraordinary potential of

[39:04] of what it means to be human and the

[39:06] role of the heart in our humanness.

[39:09] Uh, it's happening at a time and

[39:13] I mean, we could probably do a whole

[39:14] conversation on this.

[39:16] There are cyclic geophysical parameters

[39:20] that occur

[39:22] on a regular basis over long periods of

[39:25] time. We're talking about 12, 13,000

[39:28] years.

[39:29] Is these cycles happen every 12 to

[39:31] 13,000 years.

[39:33] They influence things like the magnetic

[39:35] fields of the planet.

[39:37] >> Yeah.

[39:37] >> Uh, solar cycles. Wheels, we are part of

[39:41] that. We are not separate from the

[39:42] magnetic fields. We're not separate from

[39:44] what's happening in our our our sun's

[39:47] core

[39:48] and those parameters are catalysts. They

[39:53] are the biological imperative. When

[39:55] those parameters change, they trigger us

[39:59] to awaken to a greater potential. Now,

[40:03] whether we do it or not, that is a

[40:05] choice. And some people

[40:07] will

[40:08] faster than others. But if this what

[40:12] we're talking about, our coming to terms

[40:15] with our heart intelligence and our

[40:16] awakening, If this was just like

[40:19] everyday

[40:21] life on planet Earth, we would say, you

[40:23] know, we've got 20, 30, 50 years or

[40:25] whatever, you know, to do this. I think

[40:27] we're all feeling that something is

[40:31] coming. There's a change in the world

[40:34] and it's almost like the almost like the

[40:36] the world the rubber band of the world

[40:39] is wound so tight, something's got to

[40:41] give.

[40:42] And at the same time, we're awakening to

[40:45] our own potential.

[40:48] And that is going to determine how we

[40:50] experience

[40:51] where this world is going and it will

[40:54] determine how we use the technology. If

[40:57] we believe we're powerless,

[40:59] we're going to put a lot of emphasis on

[41:01] the external technology and how we we

[41:04] use things like oil and fossil fuels and

[41:07] and all of those things.

[41:08] We begin to see ourselves

[41:12] for the truth of what we are. We are a

[41:14] highly advanced, technologically

[41:17] sophisticated, soft technology.

[41:21] More advanced than computer chips,

[41:24] cell membranes, neurons,

[41:26] DNA, with the ability to self-regulate

[41:31] so much of our experience. When we

[41:32] really get what that means and we

[41:34] embrace that in our lives, we'll feel

[41:36] less urgency

[41:38] to turn to the external technology.

[41:41] We'll still use it and we'll still have

[41:42] it, but it won't be our go-to because we

[41:46] recognize that we have the ability to to

[41:51] self-regulate. And uh and this is why

[41:53] I'm excited. I was going to ask you and

[41:55] you answered it already how you feel if

[41:57] if you're an optimist. I I'm very

[41:59] optimistic.

[42:00] And I, [clears throat] like you, Howard,

[42:01] I think it all comes down to love.

[42:04] And regardless of the story that we tell

[42:08] ourselves and how we position it, it all

[42:10] comes down to love and a question that

[42:13] we each must ask ourselves and the

[42:15] question is simply this, do we love

[42:17] ourselves enough

[42:19] to accept the deep truth

[42:22] of what it means to be human and our

[42:24] human potential. Some circles will call

[42:27] it our human divinity, things like

[42:29] imagination, creativity, innovation,

[42:33] empathy, sympathy, compassion,

[42:34] forgiveness, healing. Those are all

[42:37] expressions of of divinity.

[42:39] Do we love ourselves enough to accept

[42:42] that in our lives? And that's the kind

[42:44] of question you can't answer with with a

[42:46] yes or no. You answer it through the way

[42:48] you live your life.

[42:49] >> That's right.

[42:49] >> So so we're being invited, not

[42:52] pressured, and everyone's on their own

[42:55] pace, but we're being invited to live in

[42:58] our everyday lives what we now claim to

[43:01] be true

[43:02] in our mind and in our hearts. And and

[43:04] that's someplace everybody can jump in.

[43:07] Everybody can participate. Everyday, how

[43:09] do you treat how do you treat the the

[43:13] the cashier at the checkout line?

[43:15] >> That's right.

[43:15] >> When you change your lanes on the

[43:16] freeway, how how are you going to treat

[43:18] the guy that just cut you off at at the

[43:20] exit, you know? And

[43:21] and people say, "Well, that's that's the

[43:23] little stuff."

[43:24] And it is.

[43:25] But now HeartMath science and Rollin

[43:28] McCraty is is a brilliant brilliant

[43:31] scientist,

[43:32] a brilliant man and and a dear brother,

[43:35] who is leading so much of this showing

[43:37] that those little choices we make in our

[43:39] everyday lives, they're actually feeding

[43:42] a bigger field,

[43:44] becoming the bridge, making it easier

[43:47] for the next and the next and the next

[43:49] person to make a healthy and a kind of

[43:51] choice in their lives. And when people

[43:53] really begin to understand that, that's

[43:55] when we begin anew.

[43:57] >> Well, I agree with you and it's the

[43:58] little things that are the the big

[43:59] things right now, you know? It's

[44:01] interesting in the way we we have a new

[44:03] world that's emerging. We can't quite

[44:05] see it yet, you know? I often feel like,

[44:06] you know, we we walk up right to the

[44:08] corner, you know, right around the

[44:09] corner is the new world and we're at the

[44:11] edge of the corner but we can't quite

[44:12] see around the corner yet but we feel

[44:14] it, we sense it, we know it's coming.

[44:16] And it's an era where there's a lot of

[44:17] forward movement happening towards

[44:18] becoming self-empowered, you know. To do

[44:21] that, I think we have to go back and

[44:22] look at and challenge every belief we've

[44:24] ever had, you know. We can't base the

[44:27] future on the past. That's the tendency

[44:28] to have that works as people base what's

[44:30] happening now on what's happened before

[44:33] and sort of try to project a little into

[44:35] the to seeing the future. We have to

[44:37] take a stand in the now. We have to take

[44:38] take a stand right now and treat that

[44:40] cashier differently, you know. To

[44:42] manifest more love and more kindness in

[44:44] how we interact and how we go through

[44:46] our daily lives, you know. And as we do

[44:49] that, we become more self-empowered. We

[44:51] activate more of this kind of awareness

[44:53] and intelligence we call the

[44:54] intelligence of the heart.

[44:56] And we begin to challenge our beliefs,

[44:58] even our most sacredly held beliefs

[45:00] need to be up for review right now. What

[45:03] we think we have known

[45:05] may not be true anymore.

[45:08] By latching on to thinking that it's

[45:10] this way or that way because of what we

[45:12] experienced in the past, we actually

[45:14] begin to block out what we can see in

[45:16] terms of the future potentials and

[45:18] possibilities. So, it's time for a

[45:20] reevaluation and that takes courage.

[45:23] That takes heart. That takes connecting

[45:25] with that part within us that has that

[45:27] self-security to be able to look at

[45:29] everything we believed before and to

[45:31] determine whether it's applicable now or

[45:33] true now in our life today or in our

[45:36] future life. So, it's an important time

[45:38] for that type of evaluation and it isn't

[45:41] again a mental process.

[45:44] It's non-linear.

[45:46] It takes a deeper pause, a deeper look

[45:48] within ourselves and manifesting more of

[45:51] the qualities of love.

[45:53] As mentioned, I think by now you the

[45:55] viewer knows that Greg and I have been

[45:56] doing this a long time. Uh

[45:59] and as we as I have gone through this

[46:01] over the years.

[46:03] Some things get simpler.

[46:05] And what's important gets simpler.

[46:08] And for me, I recognize that you know,

[46:10] the measurement of my life is not going

[46:12] to be on how many books I sold or how

[46:14] many countries I spoke in, anything like

[46:17] that. It's going to be how much that I

[46:20] love.

[46:23] How much love that I manifest in life.

[46:25] That's going to be the measuring stick

[46:26] of what's important. So it simplifies

[46:28] itself down. So every day that's what

[46:31] I'm attempting to do is you know, and I

[46:33] have my challenges like anyone else. I

[46:36] have my good days and I have my not as

[46:37] good days. I have reactions at times of

[46:40] things that need to be regulated and

[46:41] managed. That's part of being human, you

[46:43] know, but I keep going back to bring it

[46:47] back to love, you know,

[46:48] and bring it back to manifesting more of

[46:50] those qualities of love. And it starts

[46:52] with self-love.

[46:53] If there's a message I have for anyone

[46:55] watching today, it would be this.

[46:58] As you go through your

[47:00] growth

[47:02] and the challenges you may face along

[47:04] the way,

[47:05] I want you to remember to have

[47:06] compassion for yourself.

[47:10] Recognize

[47:11] good person doing the very best you can

[47:13] in an often challenging world, a world

[47:15] that's changing very, very quickly. It's

[47:17] impossible to even keep up with it. If

[47:19] there are times when you don't feel

[47:21] worthy, you don't feel like you're

[47:22] getting it, you don't feel like you're

[47:23] moving along quick enough, you feel like

[47:25] you're behind, those kind of feelings

[47:27] that come up, the self-doubts and the

[47:29] self-judgements,

[47:30] to go back to your own best friend, your

[47:32] most reliable guide. That's your heart.

[47:35] And to ask it for

[47:37] some guidance and then to accept the

[47:39] compassion that it offers.

[47:41] The compassion is important. It's not a

[47:43] self-centered

[47:45] act. It's actually a very empowering act

[47:48] to have some compassion for yourself. I

[47:50] think as we do more of that, we'll have

[47:52] the insights that we need to evaluate

[47:55] what we need to evaluate, to look at our

[47:57] beliefs differently, and to develop the

[48:00] resilience and the power and the

[48:01] empowerment

[48:03] to move forward in our own evolution and

[48:05] to become more conscious co-creators

[48:08] that will help and are helping to create

[48:10] a world that's very different and much

[48:12] better than the one that we often see

[48:14] today.

[48:15] >> Yeah.

[48:16] I love it when you talk that way, Howard

[48:17] Martin.

[48:18] >> [laughter]

[48:19] >> You You know, I I learn something from

[48:21] you every time we're together and you

[48:24] never fail to inspire me.

[48:27] Uh you and I have had some early earlier

[48:29] conversations in the day and

[48:32] when we're finished, I'm feeling so good

[48:35] and that that goodness carries me

[48:36] through all my video conferences and my

[48:38] podcasts and my interviews for the rest

[48:40] of the day.

[48:42] And uh and

[48:43] today is no different. So so thank you

[48:46] for that. You know, I I think about this

[48:47] a lot. If we were going to go to another

[48:49] planet and build a new world, man, I'd

[48:51] love to have you and a whole crew of of

[48:54] Howard-like [clears throat] thinking

[48:55] people.

[48:56] Uh what a beautiful way. I mean, think

[48:58] about this. The foundation

[49:01] of a civilization is based upon the way

[49:03] we think of ourselves. We live our

[49:05] lives, we choose our friends, our

[49:08] intimate partners, our politics, we heal

[49:11] our bodies, we use our natural

[49:13] resources, all based on our story and

[49:17] the way that we have been taught to

[49:19] think about ourselves. And And what

[49:21] you're saying and what you and I are

[49:23] talking about it moves is a radically

[49:26] different way. It's a radically

[49:28] different story. And the different way

[49:30] of thinking of ourselves, yet it's

[49:32] supported by the best science of the

[49:34] modern world. Science tells us now

[49:37] that that the fundamental rule in nature

[49:40] is nature's based in cooperation, not

[49:43] survival of the strongest, survival of

[49:45] the fittest, that nature's based in in

[49:48] abundance and sharing, not scarcity. And

[49:52] those two principles alone, along with a

[49:56] heart-based society,

[49:58] that would make would make the the world

[50:01] of our dreams come true.

[50:04] So, I I think what we're finding from

[50:06] all this, how it is

[50:08] and the reason it's important to talk A

[50:10] lot of people say, you know, the science

[50:12] sounds too technical.

[50:13] I think we can share scientific

[50:15] principles and not get into the

[50:18] technical details. Science is simple.

[50:21] Nature is simple. And the reason it's

[50:23] important is because the better we know

[50:25] ourselves, the less we fear change in

[50:29] the world.

[50:30] We're living in a a change a changing

[50:32] world. The better we know ourselves, the

[50:34] less we fear that. But perhaps most

[50:36] importantly,

[50:37] the better we know ourselves, the less

[50:39] we fear our own power.

[50:41] And we are extraordinarily powerful

[50:43] beings. And it all comes down, as we

[50:46] said before, to that love.

[50:48] I'm going to invite everyone to ask

[50:49] yourself, do I love myself enough to

[50:52] accept the gift that my heart holds for

[50:55] me to empower me

[50:57] in the world today and in the world to

[50:59] come? And the way you live your life is

[51:02] the answer to that. So,

[51:04] Sounds like Yeah, go ahead, Howard. I'm

[51:06] sorry.

[51:06] >> amazing work, Greg, and I don't know

[51:08] anybody that does it better than you and

[51:10] the ways you speak and the new

[51:11] understandings and the new energy that

[51:13] you bring into

[51:15] what's taking place today. And I want to

[51:17] appreciate you for that and and all

[51:18] that. And you know, I know that you

[51:22] go out a lot into the world and and

[51:25] you're there in person as well as doing

[51:27] things like we're doing today. And I'm

[51:29] doing more of that as well now.

[51:30] Beginning to again, but

[51:33] um

[51:34] upcoming things for you. I mean, what's

[51:36] going to what's going to take place

[51:37] next? Anything cool coming up for you

[51:39] that

[51:39] >> I just got back from

[51:41] from speaking in London. And you know,

[51:43] one of the things I like to say to our

[51:44] American audiences is

[51:47] that the people don't have the

[51:48] opportunity to travel.

[51:50] Is the kinds of things we're talking

[51:51] about man, people are talking about this

[51:53] all over the world and in many cases

[51:57] other parts of the world appear even

[51:59] more open and more ready to embrace

[52:03] the potential

[52:05] that we have within us in the world that

[52:07] can come from that and I was just in

[52:09] London people came from all over Europe

[52:11] to that London program

[52:13] and and so we have a lot of help we have

[52:15] a lot of support we got a big family

[52:18] out there sometimes I feel a little

[52:19] isolated when I'm in Europe

[52:21] toward the end of the year in November.

[52:23] >> Right. Yeah, it's fun when we found out

[52:25] of people around the world. I just

[52:26] remembered one. I've got one I'm going

[52:27] to be speaking in mid-October in

[52:30] Slovenia

[52:32] for the first time and

[52:34] found out that you know they're

[52:35] releasing HeartMath intelligence a book

[52:37] that I'm an author of you know um

[52:39] in Slovenian and there's

[52:42] organization there that says there's a

[52:44] large HeartMath following in Slovenia.

[52:47] So they're hosting an event and they're

[52:49] bringing me there to speak and they say

[52:50] it's going to be a big audience and all

[52:51] that kind of thing and who knew you know

[52:54] a place like Slovenia would have a

[52:56] strong HeartMath presence and so it's

[52:58] wonderful it's confirming it it

[53:01] illustrates the fact that this is a

[53:02] global movement that's happening

[53:05] it's something it's it's not just

[53:06] US-centric for sure it's happening all

[53:08] over the planet and that's part of the

[53:09] hopeful perspective

[53:11] that I have and that you share.

[53:14] >> Yeah it is hard I had you know we had

[53:16] just a similar we had someone run some

[53:18] statistics of where my work is

[53:22] is strongest where it's perceived. This

[53:25] is audio files video

[53:29] books all of that

[53:31] Romania is where my and I've I've been

[53:34] there a few times and they're beautiful

[53:36] people it's a wonderful audience I had

[53:38] no idea that I had the level of support

[53:40] that I do coming out of Romania. So, so

[53:43] I'm just

[53:45] confirming what you're saying. This is a

[53:46] global process. It's beyond politics.

[53:50] It's beyond borders. It's beyond

[53:52] religion. This is about us

[53:55] heart-to-heart, human-to-human, what we

[53:58] know is possible in our lives, what we

[53:59] want for our children. And

[54:02] I sense we're probably winding down

[54:04] here. I don't have a clock in front of

[54:05] me, but I think

[54:07] I think we're we're pretty close to to

[54:09] our time here. And I just want to leave

[54:11] people with that. Howard, you know, we

[54:14] don't see each other as much. We don't

[54:15] do these.

[54:17] We plan, and the truth is you never know

[54:19] when you get to do it, when you don't.

[54:21] So, I'm going to tell you right now, you

[54:23] know I love you. I love you dearly. A

[54:25] dear brother, if you were here with me

[54:27] today, I'd take you out for a little

[54:28] lunch and and we'd continue.

[54:31] >> Well, Greg, you know, the love is is

[54:33] mutual and respect and the honor of you

[54:35] and what you do. I hope that you

[54:39] have enjoyed our conversation today.

[54:40] Greg and I could go on. He's You made a

[54:42] point. I didn't even know what how long

[54:43] we've been talking. I didn't bother to

[54:45] pay attention with that today in our

[54:46] unscripted conversation, you know. And

[54:49] we could talk about so many things for a

[54:50] long time, but I hope that

[54:52] anyone like you who've been watching

[54:54] this

[54:55] got something of value today from what

[54:57] Greg and I shared. And um

[55:00] we'll try to do this again, you know.

[55:01] Maybe we'll do more of these. Maybe

[55:03] we'll create our own little podcast, you

[55:04] know, together or something that we do.

[55:06] The Greg and Howard show, you know.

[55:08] >> The big the big fun Greg and Howard

[55:10] show.

[55:10] >> We'll have our own have our [laughter]

[55:11] own podcast and do all that. But

[55:13] [clears throat] listen, you take care of

[55:14] yourself out there.

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Gregg Braden is an author, educator, and documentary producer whose books and media explore the intersection of science, spirituality, and human origins. He has published five New…

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In this video, Braden argues that AI cannot reach the Akashic records, a chapter he frames around his own experience of working with AI in the 1980s while employed in the defense industry as a civilian. He ties the argument to the idea that the heart is coupled to a field beyond time and space, which the video's description attributes to HeartMath research. The claim is philosophical as much as technical, so it is worth weighing on its own terms.
The video frames heart coherence as a state of heart-brain alignment that can be trained and returned to. The speakers point to HeartMath's Quick Coherence technique, which they say 2,100 students are led through every morning. The practice is presented as short and repeated rather than a one-time peak experience.
The video's chapter 'Every Cell Is a Tiny Circuit of Light' and its description state that every cell in the body is a tiny circuit that emits light. Braden and Martin present this as part of HeartMath's broader research and as a foundation for their view of the heart as a coordinating organ. Readers who want to assess the physics should consult the primary research the organization publishes.
Braden says in the video that 'Ishta means the single eye of the heart,' linking a Sanskrit term to the idea that the heart is a seat of perception as well as feeling. The point is that many traditions have long described the heart this way. The video connects that older language to HeartMath's contemporary research on coherence.
The video's key moment at 38:15 says, 'It's going to happen faster than we think, just like electricity changed the world.' The speakers argue that once enough people practice heart coherence, the spread could follow a curve similar to electricity's. Martin supports the optimism by pointing to HeartMath's current growth phase.
In the conversation, Martin says HeartMath has trained around 60,000 Dutch police officers, with every Dutch police officer receiving some HeartMath training. He also mentions corporations, medical settings, and military organizations that have brought the work in. The video describes 2,100 students practicing the Quick Coherence technique each morning as an example of daily practice.
Martin explains in the video that heart had been discussed for thousands of years but was not reaching daily life tangibly enough. The organization chose science as the bridge between philosophical ideas about the heart and everyday application. That choice is what, in his account, allowed the work to enter mainstream institutions.

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