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[0:01] >> My name is Helen Damon Moore,
and I am the director of service
[0:06] and education at the
Tucker Foundation,
[0:10] here at Dartmouth college.
[0:12] I am honored to welcome you all
and to introduce John Cabotson
[0:18] on behalf of the Dartmouth
Hitchcock Medical Center
[0:22] Pailateive Care Service,
the Tucker Foundation,
[0:27] the Rubin Committee
of Dartmouth College,
[0:30] Alice Peck Day Hospital,
Dartmouth Medical School,
[0:35] the Norris Cotton Cancer Center,
[0:37] and the Valley Insight
Medication Society.
[0:41] Special thanks to Ira
Biak and Yvonne Corbet,
[0:45] and the Pailateive care service
for partnering on this project.
[0:52] And to those at tucker
who have worked so hard,
[0:56] and who are this week
celebrating the 60th anniversary
[1:00] year Tucker Foundation,
Dartmouth's center for service,
[1:05] spirituality, and
social justice.
[1:09] We are pleased to
welcome Dr. John Cabotson
[1:12] to Dartmouth college
today for the second time.
[1:16] Cabotson first visited
Dartmouth in the summer of 1984
[1:22] when the college and the
Connecticut river served
[1:26] as the training camp for the
men's Olympic rowing team.
[1:31] He was the meditation trainer
for the team, helping them
[1:35] to optimize their
mental performance.
[1:39] Today he is here to help
optimize our performance.
[1:45] John Cabotson hold an a Ph.D.
in molecular biology from MIT.
[1:50] He is professor of medicine
emeritus at the University
[1:55] of Massachusetts Medical School
and founder of the Center
[1:59] For Mindfulness and Medicine,
Healthcare, and Society
[2:04] and its mindfulness-based
stress reduction clinic.
[2:08] He is the author of
numerous best-selling books,
[2:11] including Full Catastrophe
Living,
[2:15] Wherever You Go There You
Are, Coming to Our Senses,
[2:20] and the Mindful Way
Through Depression,
[2:23] co-authors with Williams,
Tisdale, and Siegal.
[2:27] Dr. Cabotson's research focuses
on mind-body interactions
[2:32] for healing, and on the
clinical applications
[2:36] and cost effectiveness of
mindfulness training for people
[2:40] with chronic pain and
stress-related disorders,
[2:44] including the effects
[2:45] of mindfulness-based stress
reduction on the brain.
[2:50] His current projects include
editing the Mind's Own
[2:53] Physician, with Richard
Davidson, and guest co-editing
[2:58] with Mark Williams
a special issue
[3:01] of The Journal Contemporary
Buddhism.
[3:03] Dr. Cabotson's work
has contributed hugely
[3:09] to a growing movement
of mindfulness
[3:11] in main stream institutions
such as medicine, psychology,
[3:16] healthcare, schools and
colleges, corporations, prisons,
[3:22] and professional sports.
[3:24] Courtesy of Kerry Jo Grant
[Assumed spelling] here
[3:27] in our health promotion
department, Dr. Cabotson
[3:32] and his work have even made
their way to the inside
[3:36] of our bathroom doors.
[3:38] Featured as they are
in the current edition
[3:41] of the Dartmouth College
Stall Street Journal.
[3:46] Please join me in
welcoming John Cabotson back
[3:50] to Dartmouth college.
[3:54] [ Applause ]
[4:10] >> Thank you.
[4:11] It's a delight to be here.
[4:12] Do I have to have the light
this bright in my eyes?
[4:16] Because maybe you could
tone it down a little bit
[4:20] so people can still see me,
[4:21] but I'd like to be
able to see you too.
[4:24] It's a delight to be here.
[4:29] It's nice to walk into a theater
[4:31] where mindfulness
is on the marquee.
[4:34] You know you've really made
it when it's on the marquee,
[4:37] along with Frankenstein.
[4:39] So -- it's like, you're part of
the main stream, so to speak,
[4:44] however that goes from moment
to moment and from day-to-day.
[4:49] But it's really a delight to be
here, and I am here basically
[4:54] because of Helen Damon Moore and
her work, which I actually got
[4:59] to see at University
of Iowa, when she was
[5:01] at Iowa before coming here.
[5:03] And also Dr. Ira
Biak, who I met in --
[5:10] in Ireland about two years ago,
almost exactly two years ago.
[5:15] And was just incredibly
impressed with what he's doing
[5:18] with integrative medicine
and palliative care.
[5:20] And so you know, it's
like I don't live that far
[5:25] from this place, and got in the
car this morning and drove up.
[5:29] And I'm really happy to be
here for the next three days.
[5:34] And you know, so to have this
many people come out at 4:30
[5:42] on a sunny afternoon after
the kind of winter we had,
[5:45] to a talk about mindfulness is
really some kind of an indicator
[5:53] that something has
shifted in the society.
[5:57] You all have better
things to do, I'm sure,
[6:00] this afternoon, than
to come here.
[6:02] Unless you have some
kind of real intuition
[6:09] about what the healing power
of mindfulness might be.
[6:15] And then it might actually
be incredibly valuable
[6:17] to spend the end of a nice
sunny Thursday afternoon
[6:22] here together.
[6:24] So this talk is not
about me or what I have
[6:28] to say, it's about us.
[6:30] It's about every
single one of us,
[6:32] and in some sense what the
potential is, as the slide says,
[6:38] for living your moments as
if they really mattered.
[6:41] And I put a little
asterisk in there,
[6:45] and the reason they too is
[6:51] because we're only
alive when we're alive.
[6:58] This seems kind of a no-brainer,
but you could say that a lot
[7:03] of our lives we're walking
around with a no-brainer,
[7:07] or just basically no brain,
or the brain is on auto pilot
[7:11] or something like that.
[7:12] And what mindfulness is really
[7:14] about is bringing it back
on line, so to speak.
[7:18] In the present moment,
because that turns
[7:21] out to be the only moment
that any of us ever have.
[7:25] But we're so good at thinking,
so incredibly good at thinking,
[7:29] that we can spend enormous
amounts of our time
[7:33] and energy absorbed in the past.
[7:34] Have you noticed that?
[7:38] Just incredible preoccupations
about who's to blame
[7:42] about why it's like this.
[7:44] Or how great it was
in the good old days,
[7:46] and why can't it
be that way now.
[7:48] So there's a tremendous
attraction to the past
[7:52] and tremendous aversion,
but whether it's attraction
[7:57] or aversion, we spend
a lot of time there.
[8:00] Would you agree?
[8:01] Have you noticed that a lot
of the time if you check
[8:04] on what your mind is up
to, it's up to memory.
[8:08] It's up to thinking about things
[8:11] that are already over,
to a large degree.
[8:16] The other favorite
preoccupation of the mind is
[8:19] in the opposite direction.
[8:21] The future.
[8:25] And if again you check in every
once come a while just to,
[8:29] you know, sometimes I
like to say you know,
[8:33] you can call yourself up.
[8:36] You may have to, you know,
because we're on 24-7,
[8:40] we're just infinitely connected.
[8:42] Probably every single person has
one of these in their pocket,
[8:44] although I hope there
are some exceptions.
[8:46] But -- and they're called
smart phones, you know?
[8:50] But they're not.
[8:53] But we actually -- but
they can really dumb us
[8:56] down because we can be
infinitely connected everywhere
[9:00] except here.
[9:02] And so we may need
to call ourselves
[9:05] up every once in a while.
[9:06] John, are you actually here?
[9:09] And the answer is no, I'm
off in the future thinking.
[9:12] And one of our favorite
preoccupations --
[9:14] and by the way, of course you'll
get a bill from AT&T or Verizon.
[9:19] But seriously, what -- what
are our favorite preoccupations
[9:25] in the future?
[9:26] Well, one is worrying.
[9:29] I don't know about
the north country,
[9:31] maybe you've gone
beyond worrying.
[9:32] The rest of the world a lot
of worry about things that --
[9:39] that haven't happened
yet and may never happen.
[9:42] In fact, Mark Twain is
famous for having said,
[9:47] you've probably heard this
in a lot of different guises,
[9:50] but he's famous for having
said there's been a huge amount
[9:54] of tragedy in my life, and
some of it actually happened.
[9:57] But -- but there is this
saying that you know, we die --
[10:03] he died a thousand deaths.
[10:05] I mean , we drive
ourselves crazy over things
[10:08] that are not going
to be happening
[10:09] because we're not smart enough
to actually forecast the future,
[10:13] but that doesn't prevent us
from driving ourselves crazy,
[10:16] and perseverating over and over
and over about what will happen.
[10:20] And then something else happens
because we're not that smart.
[10:24] So something else happens,
and we say we're blind-sided.
[10:28] Now how many of you would like
the future to be different
[10:33] from the way -- the way we
think it's going to turn out.
[10:35] Anybody ever find yourself
wishing the future was going
[10:38] to be like, majorly different,
that we'd make some kind
[10:41] of change in the world?
[10:42] Raise your hands, I want to
just feel in the audience.
[10:46] Okay, I heard social justice
mentioned earlier, and you know,
[10:49] this is after all a university
[10:51] or I guess you call
yourself a college.
[10:54] You know, a campus
kind of situation.
[10:58] So it doesn't surprise me.
[11:04] But this -- this kind
[11:08] of engagement really
requires thinking about, like,
[11:14] what it means to make
the future different.
[11:17] How can we possibly
apply any leverage,
[11:20] could we kind an Archimedes,
you know, fulcrum in which
[11:26] to influence the future.
[11:28] There's only one fulcrum
that I know for that,
[11:32] and that is the present.
[11:34] Because guess what, we're
living in the future
[11:37] of every single moment
in all of our lives
[11:40] that came before this one.
[11:41] Do you remember back, I mean,
I see there's kind of a range
[11:45] of ages, although
most of you don't look
[11:48] like you're college
students, I've got to say.
[11:50] And I'm a little disappointed.
[11:52] I mean, I -- you know, not that
I'm disappointed that you came,
[11:56] but I'd like to see a lot
more college students.
[11:59] They look at -- they're going
to Frankenstein probably, later.
[12:03] It's an awkward time of
day for the young people.
[12:07] How many of you are
under 25, 25 and under.
[12:10] Oh, so I'm wrong.
[12:12] That's really nice to be wrong.
[12:13] So -- really -- so I was going
to say to the older people,
[12:20] but maybe you did it when
you were even younger.
[12:23] Do you remember before
you got into college here,
[12:26] and probably you got into
planning what the courses were
[12:29] that you were going to take when
you got ahold of the catalog,
[12:31] or you went on line
and began planning, oh,
[12:34] in the freshman year
I'll take this,
[12:36] and the sophomore year,
and the junior year.
[12:38] And maybe you planned even
who you're going to meet
[12:41] and who you're going to marry,
[12:42] and what your children
are going to look like.
[12:44] Does that sound familiar,
that sometimes we do
[12:47] that when we're young.
[12:48] And we think that it's all
going to turn out in the future.
[12:55] So no matter what your age
is, I've got news for you.
[13:00] This is it.
[13:01] It already turned out.
[13:02] How did it turn out?
[13:06] It turned out just like this.
[13:09] In any moment your
life is just like this.
[13:13] Not happy with it , a
little bit sad or depressed
[13:16] or wishing it was different
-- that's not a problem.
[13:20] That's not a problem.
[13:22] Because we can always sort of
feel like okay, how are we going
[13:26] to be in relationship to this,
and of course life is not easy.
[13:32] And a lot of times we're faced
with enormous challenges,
[13:35] sometimes with enormous pain.
[13:37] Sometimes with enormous threat.
[13:39] And that's part of
the human condition.
[13:42] But the real interesting
question when it concerns, say,
[13:45] the future, and concerns living
[13:48] as if life really mattered
is can we actually be
[13:51] in the present moment
when things are not kind
[13:54] of the way we thought
they would be.
[13:56] Or sometimes the
shorthand for it is well,
[14:00] I didn't sign up for this.
[14:03] I mean, or another way
to put it, sometimes,
[14:07] maybe no offense meant, but how
did I get born into this family,
[14:13] or who are all these
crazy people,
[14:16] why am I the only sane person.
[14:18] And you know, when you're
[14:19] in a family no one else can
know the kind of genetic disease
[14:25] of that particular family,
[14:27] that everybody suffers
from except you.
[14:34] So if we hope for the
future to be different,
[14:37] the only place we
have to stand is now.
[14:42] Because first of
all, it's the --
[14:44] it's the future of
all the moments
[14:47] that have come before us.
[14:48] So if you want to be in
the future, here you are.
[14:54] This is actually non trivial,
it's not just oh yeah,
[14:57] tell us something interesting.
[15:00] Because -- because what it
invites is a kind of shift
[15:05] in perception and a
shift in awareness,
[15:08] a shift in consciousness,
that allows us
[15:11] to actually live our lives
as if they really mattered,
[15:14] and the only moment
we ever have.
[15:16] And part of that
means being embodied.
[15:20] Because a lot of the time you
know, we are lost in thought.
[15:27] That's another thing
you'll notice, if you start
[15:29] to pay attention to your mind,
is that it's all over the place.
[15:34] It's all over the place.
[15:35] You don't even have to
meditate for that to happen.
[15:38] It's just default mode.
[15:41] It's default mode.
[15:42] You don't even have
to have a smart phone.
[15:44] You don't even have
to have e-mail.
[15:46] You don't even have
to have a computer.
[15:47] It's the default mode of the
mind to be all over the place.
[15:51] It thinks this, and thinks that.
[15:53] And it likes this
and hates that.
[15:55] And wants you to approach
this, but really wants
[15:57] to stay away from that.
[15:58] And it's like, wired
into our biology.
[16:01] It's called approach avoidance.
[16:02] And it's kind of, you know,
[16:04] the hemispheres are actually
somewhat divided in terms
[16:07] of left hemisphere and the
frontal cortical region,
[16:11] is more approach-related.
[16:14] And right acre vacation, more --
[16:17] and that's one of the
fundamental biological,
[16:21] you know, features
of living systems.
[16:26] Move towards food,
move away from danger.
[16:29] Perfectly natural.
[16:31] But how we actually
modulate those impulses
[16:34] and those reflexes,
and those, you know,
[16:36] kinds of unconscious urges
that drive us and cause us
[16:42] to be reactive a
lot of the time.
[16:44] Is really an art form.
[16:46] It's the art, if you
will, of living our lives
[16:51] as if they really mattered.
[16:54] And when we begin to
actually drop in on ourselves,
[16:59] and I brought a few
-- a few props.
[17:06] You know, so sometimes I
say when we begin to drop
[17:10] in on ourselves, you know, we
can actually reclaim this moment
[17:18] in this body with this heart,
with this mind, and shift --
[17:25] begin to shift the
tea fault setting
[17:28] on how we live ourselves.
[17:30] Begin to actually move in a
direction of greater balance
[17:37] of mind, greater groundedness
in the body, greater clarity
[17:44] of sight, greater, if you will,
[17:48] recognition of what's actually
unfolding moment by moment,
[17:53] that's not so conditioned by
whether we like it or not.
[17:59] Because the world, maybe you
haven't noticed this yet,
[18:05] but it's not actually organized
[18:07] around you being the
center of the universe.
[18:11] I know that's really
disappointing.
[18:14] Because you were, I'm guessing
now, don't take offense, again,
[18:18] I'm guessing you are
entirely organized
[18:21] around you being the
center of the universe.
[18:22] Every single one of us is.
[18:24] It's almost unavoidable.
[18:27] It's almost unavoidable.
[18:28] And that has representations
in the brain, it's turning out.
[18:34] That there are medial -- medial
networks in the frontal cortex
[18:40] and -- that are -- is actually
called the default mode.
[18:45] And it's what we think
brains, neuro scientists think,
[18:48] it's what's happening when
you're not doing anything.
[18:52] Well, turns out when
you're not doing anything,
[18:54] you're very busy.
[18:57] You're very, very, very busy.
[19:00] And one of the things
what's described is
[19:02] that your mind wandering.
[19:05] And now there's an entire field
[19:07] in neuro science focused
on mind wandering.
[19:12] How many of you have noticed
[19:13] that your mind sometimes
just has a mind of its own.
[19:15] It goes here, it goes there,
it likes to be entertained.
[19:19] You know, it's very
entertaining.
[19:21] So yeah, that's what's
called the default mode.
[19:27] Now another name for it
is the narrative network.
[19:30] So it's like we are continually
constructing narratives
[19:34] about ourselves.
[19:36] I mean, after all, it's
the favorite topic, right?
[19:38] Me. What could be more
interesting than me?
[19:43] The story of me, starring -- me.
[19:45] And if you start
to pay attention,
[19:51] because what we're talking
about, what mindfulness is,
[19:54] it's actually weariness, okay?
[19:58] And it's cultivated
by paying attention.
[20:01] So just to get clear about this,
[20:03] that doesn't sound very
Buddhist, does it, so far?
[20:07] Or very Asian or mystical
or very -- anything.
[20:11] I mean, it's just
paying attention.
[20:16] How many teachers are
there in the audience,
[20:19] whatever level you're
teaching at, raise your hand
[20:21] so I can feel that --
[20:22] okay, don't you want your
students to pay attention?
[20:26] It's non trivial to get
them to pay attention.
[20:29] First you might have
to be interesting.
[20:30] That itself is a challenge.
[20:34] Second, you might have to make
the subject matter interesting.
[20:36] That's also a challenge.
[20:39] But third, it's like,
I remember as a product
[20:42] of the New York product schools
having teachers actually yell
[20:45] at us to pay attention.
[20:47] But that's not a very
effective way to get people
[20:51] to pay attention, because turns
out that attending is something
[20:55] that you need to learn.
[20:58] It's a learnable skill.
[21:00] But instead of being
taught to pay attention,
[21:02] you're just told
who pay attention.
[21:05] Get with the program,
pay attention.
[21:07] And a lot of people pay
attention very differently.
[21:11] Some pay attention auditorily,
[21:13] they're really predominantly
auditory.
[21:15] Some people can't
do auditory so well,
[21:17] they've got to see it visually.
[21:18] Other people's more
intuitive, they feel it
[21:20] with their bodies,
in a certain way.
[21:25] So this is incredibly important
in education at all levels,
[21:32] because you know, as they
say about orchestras,
[21:35] even the greatest of orchestras,
with the greatest musicians
[21:38] with the greatest instruments
playing the greatest music,
[21:41] before they perform
they get together
[21:44] and they tune their instruments.
[21:46] First to themselves.
[21:48] Then with each other.
[21:50] Until there's a kind
of dropping,
[21:52] if you don't mind me
putting it that way,
[21:54] into kind of resonance, call
it an A. Call it what you like,
[22:04] but that kind of interconnected
feeling that we are
[22:11] in some space together.
[22:14] You could call it relationality.
[22:17] And so mindfulness is
the awareness that arises
[22:20] by paying attention on
purpose in the present moment.
[22:25] Paying attention on purpose
[22:27] in the present moment
and non judgmentally.
[22:30] Now non judgmentally, that's
the kicker, because as I said,
[22:34] the default network is
operating constantly ,
[22:36] and the default network has
got ideas about everything.
[22:40] It's judging constantly.
[22:42] So non judgmental doesn't
mean that you won't be judging
[22:46] when you actually start to pay
attention to what's on your mind
[22:49] or what's going on in your life.
[22:51] But you'll notice how much you
are judging, how much you want
[22:54] to approach this
and push away that.
[22:56] And you'll just allow that
whole thing to be there,
[22:59] as if you just put out
the welcome mat for it.
[23:02] Okay, I'm not going to have
an opinion about my opinions.
[23:07] I'm just going to let it all
rain down for -- for a moment.
[23:15] Can you feel how radical a shift
that would be in your life,
[23:20] to just take one moment and
allow everything to be as it is,
[23:23] instead of wishing it
was one way or another?
[23:26] The Buddhists would
call that liberation.
[23:29] It's a kind of freedom that
no one else can give you,
[23:33] but allow us in some sense
to rotate in consciousness
[23:40] so that we -- for one moment
we're stepping outside of time.
[23:46] Because if you live
in the now, well,
[23:52] maybe you've had
this experience.
[23:53] Just check your watch and
take a look right now.
[23:57] What time is it?
[23:58] I'll tell you what
time it is, it's now.
[24:01] And every time you
check your watch
[24:06] or your phone, it's now again.
[24:14] Now what -- why am I
even talking about this?
[24:17] Why it I even come here?
[24:20] It's always good to is it ask
those questions, you know,
[24:25] it's like -- I don't
know, actually.
[24:27] Because it's usually bigger
[24:29] than whatever you think
your reasons are [Inaudible]
[24:33] but it has a lot to do with
-- with the medical schools
[24:39] and with what -- what
Ira's doing there.
[24:44] And with what Helen is doing
in the undergraduate school.
[24:50] It has to do with the fact that
the society has reached a point
[24:55] where we're beginning
to understand
[24:58] that the exponentially
increasing levels of stress,
[25:02] in medicine, in our professional
lives, in our personal lives,
[25:06] at every age, really require
some kind of shift that is not
[25:16] in the form of taking
some pill to numb yourself
[25:18] out to it or get it together.
[25:21] But actually, we need to
cultivate what's often spoken
[25:25] of as the domain of being in
order to not be so overwhelmed
[25:30] by the doing and the performing.
[25:33] And while it's true that with
the Olympic team we were using
[25:37] mindfulness to actually
improve their performance,
[25:41] it was kind of a Zen operation,
[25:43] that you can't improve
performance by trying
[25:46] to improve performance,
especially with the mind.
[25:49] Because the kind of
mind that's grasping
[25:52] for an outcome is exactly
the kind of mind that gets
[25:55] in the way of any
desirable outcome.
[25:58] Have you got that, did you
catch that as it went by?
[26:01] Okay. So this means
we're in new territory.
[26:04] One example, common example.
[26:06] You can't get to sleep
[26:08] by forcing yourself
to get to sleep.
[26:10] By telling yourself how
important the meeting is you
[26:13] have tomorrow.
[26:14] In fact, that's probably
a very bad idea,
[26:19] because that thought will
actually secrete one more
[26:22] thought, secrete one more
thought or the meeting
[26:27] or the stakes of it, or --
[26:28] and then that will
lead to something else
[26:31] in this default network of
mind wandering and pretty soon,
[26:34] you are wide awake, desperately
wanting to be asleep.
[26:39] And not knowing how
to get there.
[26:43] So it's not trivial to
actually befriend our own minds
[26:49] and our own lives in such
a way we can actually work
[26:53] in these paradoxical ways
where striving won't do it.
[26:58] Striving won't do it.
[26:59] That doesn't mean that I'm
advocating that all of us, like,
[27:03] abandon ambition or don't
care about anything.
[27:07] Meditation is not
about becoming stupid.
[27:10] Not even being non judgmental
is not about becoming stupid.
[27:16] It's sounds like, oh
don't judge anything.
[27:18] Maybe I'll just walk off
the stage and break my leg,
[27:21] you know, no, I'm aware the
edge of the stage is here.
[27:24] And if I do fall off the
stage and break my leg, yeah,
[27:27] that will have been a moment
of mindlessness or out
[27:30] of touch, if you will.
[27:32] But -- walk across the street
without looking because,
[27:36] you know, we have to sense
we're not going to judge
[27:40] that that judge that
truck coming at me --
[27:44] there's a big difference between
judgment and discernment.
[27:50] So mindfulness is
all about discerning
[27:53] with clarity what's
actually going on.
[27:56] Now most of time now,
how many of you would say
[27:58] that you are engaged
in some kind of a way
[28:01] that doesn't feel
all that good a lot
[28:04] of the time in multitasking.
[28:08] Anybody find yourself
multitasking?
[28:11] Confess. That when you're
[28:12] on the phone you're
actually sending an e-mail
[28:18] to somebody else.
[28:19] Anybody ever do that?
[28:21] Raise your hands, I want to see.
[28:22] Confession time.
[28:24] Okay, and you know, we
actually do it a lot.
[28:26] Why? Part of it is really
because we're so stressed.
[28:32] We don't have enough moments
in our day to get it all done,
[28:36] so we like, start to
discombobulate a little bit,
[28:38] and juggle and cut corners.
[28:40] And there are wonderful studies
that that actually impede
[28:46] or reduces or -- any kind of,
you know, objective measure
[28:54] of performance, that doing
two things at once detracts
[28:59] from the quality of either one.
[29:01] Doing five things at once
or being that scattered
[29:05] in your mind, you don't even
have to be doing anything,
[29:07] but when you're at
the mercy of this kind
[29:09] of mind wandering all the time.
[29:11] And you're trying to get things
done is very, very challenging.
[29:16] Very challenging.
[29:18] So the question is, is
there a way to actually live
[29:21] that will allow us to deal
with what Zorba the Greek
[29:28] in Kasantzakis in the novel
says the full catastrophe
[29:32] of the human condition; the
good, the bad, the ugly,
[29:35] the unwanted , the feared,
the traumatic, the awful.
[29:41] And to be able to hold
each moment in its fullness
[29:47] and allow our attention faculty
and our awareness faculty
[29:51] to actually hold
it in such a way
[29:55] that we can then inhabit the
next moment with authenticity
[30:01] and maybe even respond
appropriately to this vast range
[30:08] of demands that we're
faced with all the time.
[30:10] Now when I started the stress
reduction clinic back in --
[30:14] at University of
Massachusetts back in 1979,
[30:22] and I did bring some
slides, which I don't know
[30:24] if I will show you, but I'll
just sort of take that moment
[30:27] by moment, maybe I'll show
them to you, maybe I won't --
[30:33] because I'm trying to actually
create more of an impression.
[30:36] I don't want to just
leave you with things
[30:38] in your head, just facts.
[30:41] Okay? Because you'll
lose them immediately.
[30:45] Okay? Because other facts will
come in, and you know, whatever.
[30:49] If you spent time and energy
getting here and I've spent time
[30:54] and energy getting here,
[30:55] then what would make me feel
most satisfied is if one,
[31:02] you had some kind of
inkling why you came today.
[31:05] I'm sure you all do it, it's
a mystery though, I'm sure.
[31:09] Hoping to maybe be
entertained or maybe connect
[31:12] on some deeper level or maybe
you practice mindfulness
[31:15] or maybe you've been to
a [Inaudible] program,
[31:17] but if you peel back all those
layers there's some is really,
[31:22] really, really,
[31:23] really interesting
reason why you're here.
[31:25] And I bet you don't
know what it is.
[31:27] I'm not joking.
[31:29] Because there's intelligences
at work that are just deeper
[31:32] than the thought function.
[31:34] And the thought function is
so smart that it sometimes
[31:37] out smarts us completely,
have you noticed that?
[31:39] And then it's like we're stupid.
[31:42] We're so smart, we're stupid.
[31:45] It's very hard to see that in
yourself but you can see it
[31:48] in other people just
really easily.
[31:50] Have you -- maybe
you've noticed that.
[31:56] So I'm going to try to weave
together a whole bunch of things
[31:58] that probably none of it is
going to make complete sense,
[32:02] but what I'm doing
here is I'm trying
[32:05] to in some sense plant seeds.
[32:07] I'm trying to plant seeds in
the fertile ground or garden
[32:12] of whatever it was that
brought you here so that
[32:15] when you leave here
something has been touched
[32:18] that will keep those seeds,
that actually I'm not planting,
[32:23] they are already in you, keep
them being watered nurtured,
[32:27] protected, privileged in a
certain way, so that it --
[32:39] nurtures in some profound sense
some aspect of you that wants
[32:48] to be as alive as you can be
while you have the chance.
[32:58] We say to people coming to
our stress reduction clinic,
[33:02] and they come with every
conceivable kind of ailment,
[33:05] referred by every conceivable
sub specialty and specialty,
[33:09] and generalist in medicine.
[33:11] And we say -- and it's an
eight week long course,
[33:14] designed to teach you how to
take better care of yourself
[33:17] as a compliment to whatever
the healthcare system is,
[33:20] I should call that a
disease care system
[33:22] by the way, can do with you.
[33:24] Can do for you.
[33:29] And we say to them from
our perspective as long
[33:34] as you're breathing, there's
more right with you than wrong
[33:38] with you, no matter
what's wrong with you.
[33:41] No matter what's wrong.
[33:43] And we see people you would
not want to be in their body
[33:49] or in their mind
or in their life.
[33:52] And they probably wouldn't
want to be in yours either.
[33:55] But you probably wouldn't
want to hear that.
[33:59] Because after all, you're the
star of this movie, aren't you?
[34:03] So -- so that there's more right
with you than wrong with you,
[34:09] no matter what's wrong with you.
[34:11] That's radical perspective
and very, very important.
[34:17] Because you know, I started the
stress reduction clinic in 1979.
[34:21] In 1979 the surgeon
general's report came
[34:24] out Called Healthy People
and that it was saying,
[34:27] forecasting into the
future, which here now,
[34:30] we are in this future, that no
matter how much money America
[34:33] spends at throwing money
at health and healthcare,
[34:38] it will never be
enough to have health.
[34:43] Because there's a missing
ingredient, and it's the humans
[34:46] that healthcare is
supposed to care for.
[34:50] And that there's not
enough money on the planet
[34:53] to do all the various things
that would have to be done
[34:56] with us when we don't
take care of ourselves,
[34:59] when we don't know how to handle
stress, when we do not know how
[35:03] to be in wise relationship with
ourselves and our lifestyle
[35:07] and our diet and exercise
and our bodies and aging
[35:11] and everything else, that if we
leave that all to the, you know,
[35:15] auto mechanics model of
medicine, drive your car
[35:17] around till it breaks down, then
you get the carburetor replaced
[35:21] or the engine or
whatever, the tires.
[35:23] But this is not a machine.
[35:27] I know a lot of people,
even in biology,
[35:30] love to use machine analogies
and even nano machine analogies
[35:36] about the body, and to a
degree they're correct.
[35:39] But there's another piece of it,
[35:40] like no one understands
the construction
[35:42] of the machine that's you.
[35:45] I'll give you one example.
[35:48] How many of you see
that slide up there,
[35:50] and what's the color
of the background?
[35:54] Blue. Everybody agree
that it's blue.
[35:56] No one knows how you do that.
[36:00] No one knowing how you
go from the wave length
[36:04] of electro magnetic radiation,
the blue region, okay,
[36:08] in the visible spectrum,
no one knowing how you go
[36:11] from this wave length, which
is colorless, it's just energy,
[36:15] to a subjective feeling of blue.
[36:19] And we also really don't know,
we have a consensus reality
[36:24] that agrees that the blue that
you're seeing and the blue
[36:26] that I'm seeing are the same
blue, but it's not always true,
[36:29] and it's not true for colorblind
people, the blue-green color.
[36:33] Okay, so there's a lot of kind
of consensus agreement here.
[36:36] But there's -- the brain weighs
approximately three pounds,
[36:41] okay?
[36:42] And it's all cells and cables
that are part, you know,
[36:48] made up of cells, neurons.
[36:49] And then all these gluteal cells
in there supporting the neurons.
[36:53] And incredibly specialized.
[36:56] I mean, it's really the most
complex assembly of matter
[37:01] in the known by us universe,
[37:04] right inside your
little old body.
[37:07] And no one knows how senses,
how consciousness, how knowing,
[37:19] how even thinking arises
in this three pounds
[37:24] of what some neuro
scientists call meat.
[37:26] It's a little distasteful.
[37:30] But to just kind
of make it graphic,
[37:34] so if you for get every once
in a while walking around in --
[37:39] on the Dartmouth campus or in
Hanover or wherever you happen
[37:42] to live that you're
a miraculous being.
[37:48] Well, okay.
[37:49] It's just one more mind
wandering, you know?
[37:52] One more default sort of
not really being aware
[37:57] of how amazing it is that
you can see, for instance.
[38:02] That you can hear.
[38:03] That you can taste.
[38:05] How many of us eat food
and we don't bother
[38:08] to taste it, we just devour it.
[38:11] Or we taste the idea
of the food.
[38:15] Yeah, that was really good.
[38:16] Yeah, but you didn't
actually taste it.
[38:19] Have you ever had a
mindless hug from somebody
[38:23] who was really trying
to be friendly?
[38:26] Sort of impulse to be
friendly, but not in one's body.
[38:34] Okay? So all of these
things we take for granted.
[38:37] But we can actually begin
a process of re-minding --
[38:42] and I put a little
hyphen in there --
[38:43] re-minding ourselves,
re-bodying ourselves.
[38:47] When? Now.
[38:48] Because this is the
only time you have.
[38:52] And coming back into a certain
kind of vector or alignment
[38:58] with the entire life trajectory,
[39:00] and it doesn't matter
how old you are
[39:06] when you begin this process.
[39:07] The Native Americans,
actually, measured your age
[39:11] from when you became -- they
started to measure your age
[39:13] from when you became
a grand parent.
[39:17] Before that, it was like
you were really too busy
[39:19] to be human.
[39:22] And the -- and in the Asian
Indians, measure your age
[39:28] from when you start
practicing yoga.
[39:30] So if you're 75 years old
and you've been into yoga
[39:34] for three months, you're
three months old, I like that.
[39:36] Isn't that nice?
[39:38] What about new beginning?
[39:40] Every moment a new beginning.
[39:43] That's what mindfulness
is about.
[39:46] Every moment fresh.
[39:49] Now this is not a philosophy.
[39:52] It's not a good idea,
it's not a concept.
[39:55] It's a way of being.
[39:56] It's not a technique.
[39:57] It's not a technique and
it's not a special state.
[40:00] Oh, I think I'll trot over
to the MBSR clinic, meditate.
[40:07] [ Background noise ]
[40:36] >> Maybe you're waiting for
something else to happen.
[40:38] But nothing else happens.
[40:41] Nothing else happens.
[40:42] This is it.
[40:43] You know, good-bye.
[40:49] Maybe you're hoping for
something special to happen.
[40:55] Some special meditative state.
[40:58] Some kind of vision.
[41:01] Some kind of alignment of
the, you know, spheres.
[41:07] Some special bolt of lightening
out of the blue to wake you up.
[41:12] It's a mistake.
[41:15] A miss, hyphen, take,
on meditation.
[41:20] On mindfulness, on reality.
[41:22] Let's just pretend, okay, why
don't we just sit for a moment.
[41:26] Ah, you're already sitting.
[41:29] You don't even need
to shift your posture,
[41:30] although I see some
people getting ready.
[41:32] Okay, now we're going
to get into it.
[41:36] It's going to be
somewhat experiential.
[41:38] Thank God.
[41:39] He could talk forever.
[41:43] But you see, you know, you don't
even have to shift your posture
[41:48] to be awake or to be aware.
[41:51] You could do it like this.
[41:55] And really be aware.
[41:58] And by the way, I
can't see my hands.
[42:02] But I know where they are.
[42:04] How do I know?
[42:06] A sense called proprioception.
[42:09] Maybe you've heard of
it, maybe you haven't.
[42:11] But there are a lot
more than five senses,
[42:13] I just want to put
that out, okay?
[42:15] When we're talking about
miraculous being or genius,
[42:18] it's got lots of
different dimensions to it.
[42:21] Many. If I ask you how are you
[42:25] in the elevator and
you say fine.
[42:28] How do you know?
[42:29] Aside from the fact that you're
not fine but you just don't want
[42:32] to go into it in the elevator,
[42:34] with somebody you don't
want to tell anyway.
[42:37] But when, you know, you're
sort of -- someone --
[42:40] a friend asks you how our and
you say fine, how do you know?
[42:43] That's another sense.
[42:45] And you know very quickly.
[42:47] And you know when
you're not, too.
[42:49] What is that knowing called?
[42:50] It's not called well,
let me think.
[42:52] I don't know.
[42:54] How am I. No, you
know instantly.
[42:59] That sense is called
interoception.
[43:02] There are ways that the organism
has, you know, using the brain
[43:06] and nervous system,
which has lots of maps,
[43:09] by the way the brain is
loaded with maps of the body.
[43:13] Loaded with maps of the body.
[43:14] And not just the
somatosensory cortises.
[43:17] But the insula and the
cerebellum and the, you know,
[43:22] the hippocampus, I mean, lots
and lots -- and again I stress,
[43:28] we're beginning to understand
something about what lights
[43:30] up when, when you meditate,
when you do this and do that,
[43:34] when you go into depression.
[43:37] All sorts of wonderful,
wonderful things happening.
[43:40] Brain research in
neuro science nowadays.
[43:42] But still, no one knowing
how it comes together.
[43:45] In you, in this moment, in a way
[43:49] that actually you don't
have to think about.
[43:53] And even if there's something
going on, even if you're in,
[43:55] say, pain from your lower
back and you've had it
[43:58] for a long time, or even if
you have cancer at the moment
[44:02] or you're a cancer
survivor or whatever it is.
[44:05] Or you have, you
know, heart, you know,
[44:08] issues of one kind or another.
[44:10] Whatever it is.
[44:15] The sum total of
this universe, of --
[44:19] between 10 and 100
trillion cells,
[44:22] the whole body now
we're talking about.
[44:26] Is good enough to have
gotten you here today.
[44:29] Hmm? It's good enough for now.
[44:33] And the more energy
you pour into it,
[44:36] the more that robustness,
whatever it is,
[44:38] sometimes called homeostasis,
[44:40] but it's a very dynamical
process that we call health,
[44:43] as opposed to disease
or dis-ease.
[44:47] When we start to pour attention,
energy in the form of attention
[44:51] into what's already
right with us,
[44:53] it turns out that the body
has its ear to the rail,
[44:56] the brain has its ear to
the rail, the brain is part
[44:58] of the rail, the --
the heart, every aspect
[45:05] of our being is one
integrated whole.
[45:10] It's not like different systems.
[45:13] The immune system talks
to the nervous system.
[45:16] And the nervous system
talks right back.
[45:21] And everybody else is listening
in on the conversation.
[45:24] And it's all cells.
[45:25] And if you took your liver
-- if we all took our livers
[45:27] and put them out
on the stage here,
[45:29] that would be an
interesting exercise,
[45:31] and then we shuffled them around
and then you were all encouraged
[45:35] to just pick yours
up on the way out.
[45:37] You wouldn't know
which was yours.
[45:39] You can look at all hundred
trillion of these cells
[45:42] in your body, and your
name isn't on any of it.
[45:46] It's like, oh, here's my liver.
[45:49] Here's my gal bladder.
[45:54] The punctuation from the cell
phones is actually really --
[45:57] if that was a cell phone
-- is really interesting.
[46:00] But do you hear what I'm saying?
[46:02] Even the question of who
we are, when you start
[46:06] to actually ask it with
tremendous authenticity,
[46:12] it might not be so feasible
to just say your name
[46:23] or even describe what you
do, or even send in your CV.
[46:28] If you've ever hired people,
[46:29] you know that the
CV is not the person
[46:31] and you hire the CV
a lot of the time.
[46:33] Big mistake.
[46:36] Because you can't work with
the person a lot of the time.
[46:40] What you want it congruence,
you want integration.
[46:44] So when we take our
seats, so to speak,
[46:47] what we're actually
engaging in, is a recognition
[46:53] of how integrated
we already are.
[46:55] We don't need to,
oh, I'm such a wreck,
[46:57] I've got to get integrated.
[46:59] No, from this perspective
you are already as integrated
[47:02] as you're going to
be in this moment.
[47:04] Is it enough?
[47:05] Is it good enough?
[47:07] So let's actually take a moment.
[47:09] I've even brought another prop.
[47:11] I brought some bells.
[47:14] We don't need the bells.
[47:18] But I'll ring them.
[47:20] And when I ring them
-- why don't --
[47:22] just for fun, you don't
have to shift your posture,
[47:24] but just for fun, why don't
you shift your posture and sit
[47:29] in a posture that for
now embodies dignity,
[47:33] whatever that means for you.
[47:35] Look, the entire room is moving.
[47:40] Not that dignified, I guess.
[47:43] All right, but actually
it doesn't matter.
[47:45] The posture is secondary.
[47:47] What's important is
the inner orientation.
[47:50] The willingness to open
to the present moment,
[47:53] to put out the welcome
mat and to get --
[47:56] and to let the idea
that oh, now we're going
[47:59] to do something special, drop.
[48:02] Because as soon as you sort of
plant that seed, now we're going
[48:06] to do something special
[48:07] and we're going experience
something special,
[48:09] then you'll be on the look
out for something special.
[48:13] But you see, nothing special.
[48:15] There's a wonderful
cartoon in the New Yorker
[48:17] that I actually mentioned
a long time ago
[48:21] in Wherever You Go There You
Are, two Zen monks, you know,
[48:26] one obviously elder,
the other young.
[48:30] And the young one's looking up
quizzically at the older one.
[48:34] And the caption underneath,
[48:36] the old one's speaking,
nothing happens next.
[48:39] This is it.
[48:40] I just said that to you earlier.
[48:42] But the this is it,
is really important.
[48:46] Otherwise, you could spend
20 or 30 years or more,
[48:49] and people do this, meditating,
trying to get some place else.
[48:53] Trying to have some
special experience.
[48:56] That's what it's all about.
[48:57] Now I'm enlightened.
[48:59] The problem is you're
already enlightened.
[49:02] But the personal pronoun
that wants to grab it
[49:05] and say I'm enlightened,
[49:07] it's the personal pronoun
that's the problem,
[49:09] not the enlightenment.
[49:11] Your eyes are already
enlightened.
[49:12] Your ears are already
enlightened.
[49:16] Your feet actually do
what they're supposed
[49:18] to do for the most part.
[49:20] Your brain is doing
what it's supposed to.
[49:23] Your liver is doing what
it's supposed to do.
[49:25] Very famous scientist
[49:28] and physician named Lewis
Thomas once said he'd rather be
[49:33] at the controls of
a 747 trying to land
[49:37] with no pilot training
whatsoever than at the controls
[49:40] of his own liver for 30 seconds.
[49:47] So you don't need
to find special.
[49:50] This is good enough, okay?
[49:52] So let's actually sit for a
moment, if you're sitting,
[49:55] or stand if you're standing,
in a posture that for you
[49:59] at this moment embodies
wakefulness and dignity.
[50:02] You don't even have
to close your eyes.
[50:07] But you can if you like, or let
them fall unfocused on the chair
[50:12] in front of you or whatever.
[50:18] And as I ring the bell, seeing
if you can just follow the sound
[50:21] of the bells into
the space of the air.
[50:31] [ Bell ringing ]
[51:00] [ Background noise ]
[51:10] >> And allowing the space of
the air to be co-extensive
[51:20] with the space, you could
call it, of awareness.
[51:29] So that there's simply
awareness.
[51:36] Hearing what's here,
to be heard.
[51:40] The sound of the bells are past,
and now there's just sound.
[51:50] Whatever's arising.
[51:55] And you could feature
hearing as a way
[51:59] of anchoring our attention.
[52:01] You can focus on
some object like --
[52:05] or field of objects,
like hearing.
[52:07] And just rest in being aware
of sounds and the stillness,
[52:17] the silence in between,
inside, and underneath.
[52:24] Any and all sounds,
including, of course, my voice.
[52:49] Alternatively, because there's
more than one thing going on,
[52:52] there's not just hearing
going on, there's also seeing
[52:54] and smelling and you know,
[52:56] all the senses are
actually operating.
[52:59] Seeing if you can actually
instead of hearing,
[53:03] feature for now a feeling,
a sense of the breath moving
[53:08] in and out of your body.
[53:09] Wherever it's most
vivid in the body.
[53:16] Just allowing awareness to
inhabit the whole of the body
[53:21] and be most vivid in the region
[53:25] where the breath sensations
are arising and passing away.
[53:31] In breath.
[53:34] Up.
[53:39] [ Background noise ]
[53:48] >> And seeing if you can ride
on the waves of the breath
[53:51] with full awareness,
moment by moment by moment.
[53:56] And noticing any time the mind
goes off and gets involved
[54:04] in anything else, including
judging how stupid this is.
[54:08] We came for a talk and all
[54:09] of a sudden we're doing
this stupid exercise.
[54:15] Whatever is flitting through
the mind at the moment,
[54:17] just making it so spacious
[54:20] that you can see whatever's
unfolding, hear my guidance
[54:26] as I'm speaking, and at the
same time ride on the wave
[54:30] of the breath coming in,
and the breath going out.
[54:35] With full awareness.
[54:36] And a kind of interest,
the kind of, in some sense,
[54:40] affectionate attention.
[54:42] Even if the breath isn't all
that interesting to you or all
[54:47] that boring, or your mind
says okay, I get that concept.
[54:51] What else.
[54:52] Just staying with the breath.
[55:00] And then playing
with the possibility
[55:02] of expanding the field of
awareness around the breath,
[55:05] wherever you're experiencing
it most in the body
[55:09] until it includes a sense of the
body as a whole, sitting here
[55:13] or standing here, breathing.
[55:15] And noticing you can do
that just easy as pie.
[55:22] It's not really a
doing, but when I say it,
[55:24] you can easily be --
[55:26] the awareness can hold the whole
body to one degree or another.
[55:32] And whatever degree you
can hold it, that's fine.
[55:35] It's not like, oh,
[55:36] if I practiced I'd
get better at this.
[55:38] That's just the thought,
never mind.
[55:41] Just letting the
thoughts come and go,
[55:43] and staying with the awareness
of the body as a whole,
[55:46] sitting and breathing.
[55:56] And if possible, remembering
[55:58] that this isn't some simple
little exercise that we're doing
[56:01] in the middle of a talk.
[56:03] That this is your life
unfolding in this very moment.
[56:07] And this breath is
important to you.
[56:10] You wouldn't want
to do without it.
[56:19] So with that kind of quality
of attending, that it's not --
[56:23] it's not really -- it's
like tuning a guitar string.
[56:27] You know, too lose,
two-tone, too tight.
[56:32] You know, two-tone, but if you
can just bring the lightest
[56:42] of touches, the lightest
of touches of awareness
[56:45] to the sense of the body
as a whole, breathing.
[56:48] As if it mattered.
[56:52] And of course it does.
[56:54] Because it's your
body in this moment.
[56:56] It's your life and
the breath is vital.
[57:00] And then one more before we end.
[57:03] Noticing any thoughts that may
be moving through your mind,
[57:08] and noticing how easy
it is to self-distracts,
[57:11] that the mind does wander.
[57:13] That it wanders away from
the breath, if we did this
[57:15] for any period of time.
[57:17] Sooner or later your mind
would be someplace else.
[57:19] Probably not even in the room.
[57:23] Maybe not even in
the present moment.
[57:25] Maybe having dinner in Paris.
[57:30] Or Bangkok, or in an
argument three years ago.
[57:35] In the shower with yourself.
[57:38] So when you notice the mind has
self distracted, no problem,
[57:43] no judging, just --
or if you judge it,
[57:46] don't judge the judging, and
just see if you can come back
[57:49] to this moment in awareness.
[57:51] Featuring whatever object
of attention you care to.
[57:54] It could be anything that's
in the field of awareness.
[57:58] But the last little piece
to just underscore that none
[58:03] of this is about the
sound of the bells.
[58:06] None of this is about
the feeling
[58:09] of the breath in the body.
[58:10] None of this is about
the thoughts moving
[58:12] through the mind.
[58:13] Those are all important
and they're secondary,
[58:16] but what it's really
about is the awareness
[58:18] that knows the sound when it
comes to the ears that knows --
[58:23] and I mean non conceptually
knows, not just conceptually --
[58:27] knows the feeling of the
breath moving in the body.
[58:31] Non conceptually inhabits the
body as a whole, in awareness,
[58:36] sitting and breathing.
[58:38] Non conceptually knows when
the mind self distracts,
[58:42] or we get into an emotional
whirl pool or turbulence
[58:46] of some kind or another.
[58:47] And the awareness can just,
like allow it to just be here.
[58:50] Feature it center stage,
let it calm, let it go,
[58:53] and meanwhile we just
continue to rest.
[58:56] To rest in awareness.
[58:59] Outside of time, because the
present moment is time --
[59:05] timeless in some profound way.
[59:10] [ Background noise ]
[59:21] >> And awareness and silence and
stillness are all different ways
[59:25] of saying the same thing.
[59:27] Of pointing to something
that's already yours,
[59:29] that you don't have to get.
[59:33] But has tremendous
healing potential.
[59:38] Tremendous potential
for learning.
[59:42] For seeing things in new
ways for that rotation
[59:45] in consciousness that
I was speaking of.
[59:47] Everything's the same,
only nothing's the same.
[59:50] Why? Because you showed
up in your fullness.
[59:59] So learning.
[1:00:01] And out of that learning,
growing.
[1:00:03] And out of that growing,
healing, which in my vocabulary,
[1:00:07] the way I define healing
is coming to terms
[1:00:10] with things as they are.
[1:00:13] Coming to terms with
thing as they are.
[1:00:15] Very different from curing.
[1:00:16] There are very few cures in
medicine, but the opportunity
[1:00:21] for healing as long
as there's breath,
[1:00:25] it's in some sense already here.
[1:00:27] All we need to do is see
it, feel it, live it.
[1:00:33] And it's not about
denying pain and suffering.
[1:00:36] It's about, in some sense,
befriending even that.
[1:00:42] So resting for a final
few moments in stillness,
[1:00:45] in silence, full wakefulness, in
full awareness, outside of time,
[1:00:53] as if you had nothing
to do, no place to go.
[1:00:57] Nothing to do.
[1:00:58] And nothing to attain.
[1:01:00] Because you're already whole.
[1:01:04] The meaning, by the way, of
the words health and healing,
[1:01:09] and even the word
holy , H-O-L-Y.
[1:01:17] And by the same token,
the word medicine
[1:01:19] and the word meditation, they
grow out of the same tree.
[1:01:26] The same root, Indo-European
root.
[1:01:31] Medicine and meditation
are joined at the hip.
[1:01:40] It's not so radical to
actually bring them together
[1:01:43] in main stream, clinical care.
[1:01:46] In fact, it's essential
for caring.
[1:01:57] So silent, wakefulness.
[1:02:05] Attending to what is.
[1:02:11] [ Background noise ]
[1:02:27] [ Bell ringing ]
[1:02:58] >> Somehow the real
meditation practice never stops.
[1:03:09] Just because some
bell as got rung.
[1:03:12] Just because we're going to
shift gears a little bit.
[1:03:16] The real meditation is how you
live your life moment to moment.
[1:03:20] It's not how good you are
sitting without moving.
[1:03:24] Or what great yoga poses you do.
[1:03:27] Because yoga is itself
a meditation.
[1:03:29] A beautiful form of
meditation we use enormously
[1:03:33] and to do good purpose in MBSR,
[1:03:37] mindfulness-based
stress reduction.
[1:03:42] I'd like to just say a few
things about stress and medicine
[1:03:48] and then we'll open it up to --
[1:03:49] and give you a little bit of
an expanse of how we work.
[1:03:54] But I want you to have at
least this taste of it,
[1:03:57] and I want to share a
couple of poems with you.
[1:03:59] And it's not like all
[1:04:00] of a sudden we've
gotten a little weird,
[1:04:03] I'm going a little weird on you.
[1:04:05] How many of you when you hear
the word poetry or poems,
[1:04:09] you go yeah, I don't know.
[1:04:10] Not a poem!
[1:04:11] It's like I don't
understand those things.
[1:04:15] That's not uncommon.
[1:04:18] But -- but one of my colleagues,
John Tisdale, with whom I wrote
[1:04:24] that book, The Mindful
Way Through Depression,
[1:04:27] who is like one of the world's
great cognitive scientists,
[1:04:31] is coming out with a -- several
papers, in which he's arguing
[1:04:37] that the root cause of suffering
[1:04:40] in human beings is not knowing
how to deal with our emotions
[1:04:48] because we don't
know how to inhabit
[1:04:52] and then shift our relationship
[1:04:54] to what he calls
implicational meaning.
[1:04:57] Implicational meaning is what
moves, say, in poetry, okay?
[1:05:05] It's different from the
propositional meaning,
[1:05:08] which is just the
kind of bear facts.
[1:05:14] Okay? So if I -- I'll
recite a poem for you.
[1:05:16] This is a poem by
Antonio Muchato,
[1:05:19] who's a great Spanish
poet of the turn
[1:05:23] of the 19th, 20th century.
[1:05:25] And won the Nobel Prize.
[1:05:28] It's very short.
[1:05:30] But see if you can feel it.
[1:05:32] The wind one brilliant
day called to my soul
[1:05:36] with an odor of jasmine.
[1:05:38] The wind one brilliant
day called to my soul
[1:05:44] with an odor of jasmine.
[1:05:47] In exchange for the
odor of my jasmine,
[1:05:49] I would like the
odor of your Roses.
[1:05:54] I have no roses.
[1:05:56] All the flowers in
my garden are dead.
[1:06:00] Can you feel that?
[1:06:02] I -- how many times have we had
[1:06:04] that feeling or a
similar feeling.
[1:06:06] I have no roses.
[1:06:08] There's nothing beautiful
about me.
[1:06:10] All the flowers in
my garden are dead.
[1:06:12] Well then, I'll take
the withered petals
[1:06:15] and the withered
leaves, and the waters
[1:06:17] in the fountain and
the wind left.
[1:06:21] And I wept.
[1:06:22] And I said to myself, what
have you done to the garden
[1:06:29] that was entrusted to you.
[1:06:35] Can you feel that?
[1:06:36] This is a poem about
great sadness.
[1:06:39] Could easily go into depression.
[1:06:42] I actually -- just because he's
a noble laureate doesn't mean,
[1:06:45] you know, I'd like to
actually change the last line.
[1:06:50] And I would suggest
that for our purposes,
[1:06:55] rather than what have you done
to the garden that was entrusted
[1:06:59] to you, which is a kind of
a blaming, wouldn't you say?
[1:07:07] I mean, it's like, stick
the knife in, oh, all right,
[1:07:10] as long as I'm feeling down, why
not just go right over the edge?
[1:07:17] And a lot of cultures
actually perpetrate
[1:07:19] that kind of perspective.
[1:07:21] But instead, why don't
we say what are we doing
[1:07:24] with the gardens that
are entrusted to us.
[1:07:28] Gardens plural, okay?
[1:07:29] Because right now we have a lot
[1:07:31] of gardens entrusted
to us, I would say.
[1:07:34] The closest of, you know, to us,
[1:07:39] is I would say the
garden of the body.
[1:07:41] You know, better than an
American Express credit card,
[1:07:44] you can't leave home without it.
[1:07:46] But a lot of the time
we're not even in the body.
[1:07:50] And a lot of the time our
feelings about the body are
[1:07:53] so negative like, the
less said the better.
[1:07:57] Just don't bother
me about the body.
[1:07:59] I don't even want to
know it just exists.
[1:08:01] If it doesn't -- is not
driving me crazy I feel lucky.
[1:08:06] And William -- James Joyce
is famous for starting
[1:08:13] out a short story in Dubliners
with the following sentence.
[1:08:17] This is an approximation,
[1:08:19] but it's Mr. Duffy lived a
short distance from his body.
[1:08:24] And if you start
to pay attention
[1:08:26] in the way I'm suggesting in the
present moment you'll discover
[1:08:29] that that's your address
as well, a lot of the time.
[1:08:33] We're in our heads,
lost in thought.
[1:08:36] Some place else.
[1:08:37] Not in the body.
[1:08:38] That has biological
consequences, by the way.
[1:08:41] Everything I've said tonight,
[1:08:43] when I started the
stress reduction clinic
[1:08:45] in 1979 it was like, there was
almost no science of the effects
[1:08:51] of stress and the biology
of stress on the body
[1:08:54] and on the mind and
on the heart.
[1:08:56] Now the data is just
like, overwhelming.
[1:09:01] Including, as I'll show
you in a minute, aging.
[1:09:07] That it's turning out that
you know, stress is --
[1:09:12] they used to say stress is not
a real factor for morbidity
[1:09:16] or mortality because you
know, it's not like, you know,
[1:09:20] high fat diet, it's not
like cigarette smoking,
[1:09:22] it's not like hypertension.
[1:09:26] High blood pressure.
[1:09:27] But now it turns out, there's
incontrovertible evidence
[1:09:30] that stress actually reduces --
[1:09:34] increases the rate of
degradation of the ends of all
[1:09:39] of our chromosomes, which
are called telomeres.
[1:09:42] You're going to hear a
lot more about that word.
[1:09:44] The woman Liz Blackburn at UCSF
[1:09:46] who actually discovered
telomerase, which is the enzyme
[1:09:50] that builds them back up,
won the Nobel Prize in 2008.
[1:09:57] Okay? And her lab is studying
the effects of mindfulness
[1:10:02] of telomeres and telomerase.
[1:10:04] And the evidence is
moving in the direction
[1:10:07] of meditation can actually
enhance telomerase,
[1:10:13] and not just that, it's more
than meditation or mindfulness.
[1:10:17] It's your attitude
towards what's happening.
[1:10:20] It's not like these
people aren't
[1:10:21] under a huge amount of stress.
[1:10:23] But it's never the stress,
it's how you choose to be
[1:10:26] in relationship to it.
[1:10:27] And if you have really
exhausted your resources
[1:10:30] for handling stress, then of
course, yeah, all bets are off.
[1:10:34] But if you know how to
draw resources to yourself,
[1:10:39] then even under very, very high
levels of stress you can dance
[1:10:45] with the energy, sometimes
it's unbelievably painful.
[1:10:48] But never the less, you're
much bigger even than the pain
[1:10:51] or suffering, and liberate
yourself from that.
[1:10:54] And guess what, the
telomeres get longer.
[1:10:58] So every aspect of our biology
is what's now called plastic.
[1:11:04] And that's a new terminology.
[1:11:07] It's not like, you know,
Dustin Hoffman in The Graduate.
[1:11:12] This is for the older people.
[1:11:17] But it means that the --
[1:11:19] our biology is miraculous
in another way.
[1:11:23] It's constantly reorganizing
itself.
[1:11:25] It's not just it's all
downhill from here.
[1:11:28] Yes, there is aging.
[1:11:30] Yes, we are all going to die,
[1:11:31] unless somebody makes a
very important discovery
[1:11:34] very quickly.
[1:11:37] But you know, the question is
not is there life after death
[1:11:41] or is there some
way to escape death.
[1:11:43] But actually, can we live
while we have a chance.
[1:11:47] Is there life before death.
[1:11:49] That's the most interesting
question.
[1:11:53] And right up to the
moment of death.
[1:11:59] And a lot of time I think that
really, when we talk about fear
[1:12:02] of death we're really
more afraid
[1:12:04] of life than we are of death.
[1:12:07] And there are two chapters.
[1:12:08] I was going to say, actually,
tell you some stories,
[1:12:11] but I don't think I will,
about my early days at MIT.
[1:12:14] One of which was how
I got into meditation.
[1:12:16] I got into meditation at
the Massachusetts Institute
[1:12:19] of Technology as a graduate
student in molecular biology
[1:12:23] with a noble laureate,
believe it or not.
[1:12:25] Go figure.
[1:12:26] Not in some monastery in Asia.
[1:12:29] Because a Zen master came and
gave a talk, actually, at MIT.
[1:12:32] And I was one of five people in
all of MIT that went to the talk
[1:12:36] and took the head off --
[1:12:40] took the top off my
head at the age of 22.
[1:12:43] I was like, oh my God, there's
an entirely different way
[1:12:48] of knowing.
[1:12:49] Why didn't they tell us
this in kindergarten.
[1:12:52] An entirely different way of
knowing, and no less beautiful,
[1:12:57] no less profound, no less
transformative, than thought.
[1:13:02] Just different.
[1:13:04] And this should be part of
the repertoire, so to speak,
[1:13:12] and part of the science
and investigation.
[1:13:15] The other thing was the
story of my thesis defense,
[1:13:18] because I wrote, you know, a
thesis on some arcane topic
[1:13:23] in molecular biology
and I had, you know,
[1:13:25] all these MIT noble
laureate types,
[1:13:29] real hot-shot molecular
biologists.
[1:13:32] And a few from Harvard who came
over because you always have
[1:13:35] to have someone from
another institution.
[1:13:39] And my thesis, you know, it was
an existential challenge for me.
[1:13:46] How many of you are
graduate students here,
[1:13:48] any of you a graduate student?
[1:13:50] It's like, hard.
[1:13:51] It's hard to be a
graduate student.
[1:13:55] Because nobody cares.
[1:13:56] And most of the time,
you don't either.
[1:13:59] But it could be really
humiliating, and like --
[1:14:02] then of course if
you're a scientist,
[1:14:04] science is 99% failure.
[1:14:08] Which doesn't do that much for
your self esteem, so to speak.
[1:14:13] So you're looking for that 1%.
[1:14:17] And so I finally got my
thesis together and I wrote
[1:14:21] in the front page,
on a page by itself,
[1:14:24] they let you have a little
dedication, little saying,
[1:14:27] something like that, I wrote he
[1:14:29] who dies before he dies
does not die when he dies.
[1:14:33] I don't even know
where I got it.
[1:14:36] You know, it's like some
Greek, very old Greek.
[1:14:42] So I put that line in
the first, you know,
[1:14:46] page by itself before
you get into the thesis.
[1:14:49] And so I go into the -- the
room with all these scientists
[1:14:59] who are going to decide whether
I get my doctorate or not,
[1:15:03] after what's called
-- I don't know,
[1:15:08] I forget what they even call
it, thesis review, or defence.
[1:15:12] Right, defense.
[1:15:13] It's a war term.
[1:15:15] They're going to attack
and I'm going to defend.
[1:15:19] And if I do it well enough,
then -- so I go in there,
[1:15:22] and I knew them all because it's
a small community and everybody,
[1:15:27] you know, sort of
likes each other.
[1:15:29] And -- but I was of
course terrified.
[1:15:33] You know, a lot hangs
in the balance.
[1:15:37] And so somebody says
what's this he
[1:15:40] who dies before he dies
does not die when he dies.
[1:15:44] That's the first
question on my thesis.
[1:15:46] So I worked five years on
this research and they want
[1:15:50] to know he who dies
before he dies.
[1:15:52] Of course they were pushing 50.
[1:15:54] You know, I was 27 or
something like that.
[1:15:57] They were in their 50's,
and like, thinking ahead?
[1:16:06] Obviously piqued some interest.
[1:16:08] You die before you die,
you don't die when you die.
[1:16:11] I want that.
[1:16:17] So I said do you
really want to know?
[1:16:23] And they all said yeah.
[1:16:26] I said well, it might
take some time.
[1:16:29] We've got time.
[1:16:31] So actually, I would say half
[1:16:33] of my thesis defense was
actually unpacking what
[1:16:36] mindfulness is about
to these guys.
[1:16:39] This was in 1971, by the way.
[1:16:43] And I wrote it up.
[1:16:44] It's a chapter called
Dying Before You Die, duh,
[1:16:48] because the first dying before
you die was the other story
[1:16:54] that I told about, you know,
[1:16:57] first encountering
meditation at MIT.
[1:17:01] So that's just to say
that I didn't want
[1:17:08] to continue a career
in molecular biology.
[1:17:10] I wanted to bring my training
as a scientist together
[1:17:13] with my training in meditation,
because it seemed like,
[1:17:16] well everybody is
doing the science.
[1:17:18] But nobody's paying attention to
thought and this other function
[1:17:24] of our brains and
nervous system,
[1:17:26] that no one's paying
attention to, called awareness,
[1:17:29] that is painfully obviously
bigger than thought,
[1:17:32] because whatever
thought you have
[1:17:33] or whatever emotion you have,
[1:17:35] you could embrace
it in awareness.
[1:17:38] And not have to do anything
with it, but it would change
[1:17:41] by virtue of simply
holding it in awareness
[1:17:43] if you were patient
enough to do it.
[1:17:45] Especially if it
didn't feel good.
[1:17:48] And so that's what we teach now.
[1:17:50] And it's come into the main
stream of medicine in ways
[1:17:54] that are really astonishing.
[1:17:56] The National Institute of Health
is funding hundreds of studies
[1:18:00] of mindfulness to the tunes of
hundreds of millions of dollars.
[1:18:04] And the idea that that would
have been the case in 1979 I
[1:18:08] like to say more improbable
than that the big bang would all
[1:18:12] of a sudden stop and
implode back on itself.
[1:18:15] And yet it's happening.
[1:18:17] And so mindfulness is in
the main stream of medicine.
[1:18:20] And in the last -- I'll just
show you some pictures before we
[1:18:24] go to questions, okay?
[1:18:26] Would that be all
right with you?
[1:18:27] Are you still awake?
[1:18:29] Good. Because you don't
ever have to stop.
[1:18:31] Even when you go to sleep.
[1:18:32] You know, that --
it's being present.
[1:18:36] That's all.
[1:18:40] Being fully present.
[1:18:42] Okay? Is anybody good at this?
[1:18:43] No. Okay, so don't make,
oh, I'm no good at this.
[1:18:47] Nobody's any good at it.
[1:18:49] But all you need to do
is be a little better
[1:18:52] than automatic pilot and
your life will rotate.
[1:18:56] It will be very, very different.
[1:18:58] And any time anger comes up,
the default mode comes up,
[1:19:01] whether it's anger
or anything else,
[1:19:03] Tecna Hans [Assumed spelling]
likes to say, you know,
[1:19:05] the reason we have to practice
mindfulness, the reason we have
[1:19:07] to cultivate it intentionally
is we're busy cultivating the
[1:19:10] opposite all day long.
[1:19:12] Cultivating anger, cultivating
jealousy, cultivating, you know,
[1:19:15] sort of low self esteem,
cultivating, you know,
[1:19:23] all sorts of negativity
in the emotional domain
[1:19:28] or in the thought domain.
[1:19:29] And the people who are doing
the telomere research are saying
[1:19:33] their research is showing
[1:19:34] that the real stress
comes from thinking.
[1:19:40] So this is a biological
and molecular,
[1:19:45] biological consequence
that accelerates aging,
[1:19:51] accelerates a lot of -- heart
disease, I mean, it's a --
[1:19:53] you know, you can't
interview people who die
[1:19:56] of sudden cardiac death.
[1:19:58] But if you could,
you'd find out, like,
[1:20:00] probably it was a
thought that did it.
[1:20:06] The wrong thought
at the wrong time.
[1:20:08] Dead. I'm not -- I'm
actually not joking.
[1:20:13] I mean, it's so serious
that we need to laugh.
[1:20:16] And I want to say that
about meditation too.
[1:20:19] It may seem like I'm not
taking this stuff seriously.
[1:20:22] This stuff is so serious
that it's too serious
[1:20:25] to take too seriously.
[1:20:26] And I'm serious.
[1:20:33] So this is, if any of
you were alive back then,
[1:20:36] this is the cover of Time
Magazine back in 1983.
[1:20:39] Four years after I started
the stress reduction clinic.
[1:20:42] And it's just like, you know,
[1:20:44] I look back on that
time and say stress?
[1:20:46] What stress?
[1:20:48] Compared to now.
[1:20:49] I mean, there was no internet.
[1:20:50] There was no e-mail.
[1:20:51] There was no instant messaging.
[1:20:53] I mean, you know, there were no
computers except main frames.
[1:20:58] I used to say in the early
'80's that I could get --
[1:21:01] once I had my first PC, you
know, which was like, gigantic,
[1:21:07] that I could get more
work done in a month
[1:21:08] than I could get done -- I could
get more work done in a day
[1:21:11] than I used to be able
to get done in a month.
[1:21:14] Well that was in the mid '80's.
[1:21:15] Now it's like I can get
more work done in a day
[1:21:18] than I could get done in a year.
[1:21:20] That's not so good.
[1:21:22] You know, we're always on.
[1:21:25] You know, we're always on.
[1:21:28] Not so good.
[1:21:30] We're not computer
servers, we're human beings.
[1:21:36] So here is the evidence from Liz
Blackburn's lab and Alyssa Epple
[1:21:40] who is the mindfulness
researcher in her lab,
[1:21:44] proceedings in National Academy
[1:21:45] of Sciences is showing telomere
length as a function of years
[1:21:49] of chronicity of care giving,
of children, this is parents
[1:21:53] with children with
severe medical
[1:21:55] and -- disabilities, okay?
[1:21:58] So it's like an unavoidable
stress.
[1:22:01] You can't just walk
out, I don't do stress,
[1:22:03] sorry, good-bye, children.
[1:22:05] No, you can't do that.
[1:22:07] But look at this,
also in that study.
[1:22:10] This is a perceived scale
-- perceived stress scale.
[1:22:13] It's the perception of stress
that makes the difference.
[1:22:18] If you are just dealing with
it because it's the way it is,
[1:22:22] then you can be more
transparent to the stress.
[1:22:24] Your telomeres are longer.
[1:22:27] If you take everything
personally,
[1:22:28] your telomeres degrade.
[1:22:30] So if you want one
take-home message from this,
[1:22:33] this turns out to be harder
to enact that it is to say,
[1:22:38] don't take things personally
when they're not personal.
[1:22:42] Then you might ask, when
are they not personal?
[1:22:46] That's a good question
to keep asking yourself.
[1:22:49] It may be they're
never personal.
[1:22:52] It may be the you that you think
you are is not the real you.
[1:22:56] That you're much bigger.
[1:22:57] And now the neuro science
is actually showing that.
[1:23:00] You want to be your
narrative self?
[1:23:01] Fine. Then you're using
certain regions of the brain.
[1:23:04] You want to be your moment by
moment, experiential self, in --
[1:23:08] grounded in the body,
[1:23:10] you're using lateral
networks in the brain.
[1:23:12] A whole different brain profile.
[1:23:15] So you choose.
[1:23:17] One is related more
to happiness.
[1:23:19] The left activation in
the prefrontal cortex,
[1:23:22] if you could monks
in the scanners,
[1:23:24] and I'll show you some
pictures of that, you know,
[1:23:26] they have tremendous activation
in the left prefrontal cortex
[1:23:30] in particular regions that have
to do with approach and have
[1:23:33] to do with emotional balance.
[1:23:36] And when we train
people in MBSR,
[1:23:40] they shift from right activation
[1:23:41] to left activation
in eight weeks.
[1:23:45] Their brains actually change
structure in eight weeks.
[1:23:48] Work out of Sara Lazar's
[Assumed spelling] lab,
[1:23:50] German post doctoral fellow
who's training with us in MBSR
[1:23:54] and has been our student,
Britta hisle [Assumed spelling]
[1:23:56] for years from Germany,
young neuro scientist,
[1:24:00] has demonstrated that major
regions of the brain change
[1:24:07] with eight weeks of
mindfulness training in MBSR.
[1:24:09] Including the hippocampus,
including the cerebellum,
[1:24:13] including the posterior
singular cortex.
[1:24:19] All of these are involved
in making meaning in --
[1:24:25] in self-regulation,
in perception,
[1:24:30] decoding, memory, and learning.
[1:24:33] Not bad for eight weeks of what
looks a lot, if you were looking
[1:24:36] in from the outside
on our patients,
[1:24:37] looks a lot like nothing.
[1:24:39] They do nothing lying down.
[1:24:40] Then they do nothing sitting,
then they do nothing walking.
[1:24:43] Like this.
[1:24:44] Like the night of
the living dead.
[1:24:46] You know, really slow,
meditative walking.
[1:24:48] They're doing nothing.
[1:24:49] And healthcare is paying for it.
[1:24:51] Amazing. How did they pull
that off in and it turns
[1:24:55] out the brains are changing,
not just in terms of activity,
[1:24:58] in terms of structure.
[1:25:01] Significant thickening in
those regions I mentioned,
[1:25:03] significant thinning
in the amygdala,
[1:25:05] which is the emotional
reaction -- reactivity center,
[1:25:09] the threat center
that triggers --
[1:25:11] fires off all the time whenever
we feel threatened or, you know,
[1:25:15] accosted in one way or another.
[1:25:18] So God, I've got a whole talk
here I'm not going to give.
[1:25:24] How many of you see a triangle?
[1:25:25] Raise your hand if you see
a triangle in this picture.
[1:25:28] Okay, keep your hands up there.
[1:25:30] Okay, now look around, so
you know you're not alone.
[1:25:33] If you see a triangle
in that picture.
[1:25:36] It's interesting, because
there's no triangle
[1:25:38] in that picture.
[1:25:40] The triangle is defined
by a three-sided figure.
[1:25:44] And what your mind does
is it puts in the sides.
[1:25:48] If we shifted that little
Pac-man the tiniest little bit,
[1:25:52] so the mind can actually see
things that are not there.
[1:25:56] The brain actually does that.
[1:25:57] It's so good at that.
[1:25:58] If I had time I would show
you this movie, which --
[1:26:04] how many of you have
seen this image?
[1:26:06] Yeah, you can't use it any more.
[1:26:08] But I'll just play
it anyway -- oops.
[1:26:13] Doesn't want to do that.
[1:26:14] Let me see.
[1:26:16] Anyway, it's a movie.
[1:26:18] And they're passing
around basketballs.
[1:26:21] And you ask the group, you
ask the room to sort of count
[1:26:24] of number of times the people
[1:26:25] in the white shirts
pass the basketballs.
[1:26:28] And I could get it to work,
but it would take too long.
[1:26:32] So -- and in the middle of
it, I'll try one more time,
[1:26:36] in the middle of it,
because it's, you know, oh.
[1:26:44] No. Okay, so you're counting
the number of times the people
[1:26:50] in the white shirts are
passing the basketballs.
[1:26:54] One basketball per each,
the whites and the blacks.
[1:26:57] And in the middle
this gorilla comes out
[1:27:01] and then goes off
to the other side.
[1:27:06] But when you ask people,
well, to count the number
[1:27:09] of times the people in the white
shirts pass the basketball,
[1:27:12] they don't actually
see the gorilla.
[1:27:14] If we did it and none of you
had seen it, 95% of people
[1:27:18] who have counted the
number of times --
[1:27:20] usually you get a
plus on distribution.
[1:27:23] So you can't even
count correctly.
[1:27:27] But then you don't
see the gorilla.
[1:27:28] Why? Because the
mind has told itself,
[1:27:31] the brain has told itself
the white shirts are
[1:27:34] what's important.
[1:27:35] Tune out everything
that's not white.
[1:27:39] Well, the brain it turns
out is fantastic is --
[1:27:42] I just showed you, it sees
things that aren't there,
[1:27:45] and it doesn't see
things that are there.
[1:27:47] Not very reliable.
[1:27:50] Now does that apply to you?
[1:27:53] I'll leave that for
you to decide.
[1:27:56] Just ask your spouse or
your mother or your father.
[1:28:00] Because that is part
of the default mode.
[1:28:03] We are out of touch, seriously
out of touch with a lot
[1:28:06] of different elements of this.
[1:28:08] And this is just of a quote
[1:28:09] from William James
that's basically saying
[1:28:12] if we could learn how
to bring the mind back
[1:28:14] when it was wandering,
that would be a good thing.
[1:28:17] Turns out the Buddhists
have been doing
[1:28:18] that for thousands of years.
[1:28:20] So I'm going to stop,
actually, at this point.
[1:28:23] And take a few questions.
[1:28:25] We have some time for questions.
[1:28:26] And then we'll stop
for the evening.
[1:28:29] obviously, you can see that
I've just gotten started.
[1:28:36] I hope you've just
gotten started.
[1:28:38] I'm not joking.
[1:28:40] Because this doesn't stop.
[1:28:43] It's called your life.
[1:28:46] And it's all really
more than magnificent.
[1:28:51] And if you can get into
that implicational meaning
[1:28:54] of the poems, the poetry,
then there's the potential
[1:28:59] to actually live your life as
if it really mattered moment
[1:29:02] by moment, and it turns
out that that's recruiting
[1:29:05] and morphing brain pathways
that when you're depressed,
[1:29:09] you're into a depressive
rumination,
[1:29:12] it's not about shutting
that stuff off,
[1:29:14] that kind of toxic
thought stream,
[1:29:16] but actually learning how
to hold it differently.
[1:29:18] And then you don't
take it personally
[1:29:20] and then you actually
don't fall into depression.
[1:29:23] You don't relapse
into depression.
[1:29:25] And I'm talking major
depressive disorder.
[1:29:28] And so -- and that
effects your telomeres,
[1:29:30] and that effects actually
gene expression in the body
[1:29:33] up regulating and
down regulating.
[1:29:35] Hundreds of genes that have to
do with cancer and have to do
[1:29:39] with inflammatory responses.
[1:29:41] So if -- your whole
body is really plastic,
[1:29:44] and the more you tune the mind
[1:29:46] and the body together
the more you participate
[1:29:50] in your own health
and well being.
[1:29:51] I like to call the medicine
of the future or the medicine
[1:29:55] of the present, actually,
participatory medicine.
[1:29:57] That's what -- because
there's not enough money
[1:30:00] to fund medicine if we just
use the auto mechanic's model.
[1:30:04] So we need to all participate.
[1:30:06] And isn't it interesting,
that in order
[1:30:08] to participate the greatest
evidence is suggesting we need
[1:30:12] to go back to ancient,
ancient practices from very,
[1:30:15] very old traditions
that are mostly not
[1:30:18] from this side of the planet.
[1:30:20] But that turns out have
deep, deep connections
[1:30:24] with our culture and
with our nervous system
[1:30:27] and with your love.
[1:30:30] So I'll leave it at that.
[1:30:31] I want to thank you for
your attention, and I'm open
[1:30:34] to having a few questions.
[1:30:35] Thank you.
[1:30:37] [ Applause ]
[1:30:50] >> Thank you for your attention.
[1:30:53] And --
[1:30:53] >> And if you need
to go we understand.
[1:30:57] >> Yeah, obviously.
[1:30:58] It's 6 o'clock.
[1:30:59] >> There is a book signing
outside the auditorium
[1:31:02] after the question
and answer period.
[1:31:04] Just so people know.
[1:31:05] >> And so why don't we
-- okay, you've got --
[1:31:07] why don't you line up with
that microphone behind the guy
[1:31:10] who has it, and we've got
another one over here.
[1:31:13] So go ahead.
[1:31:22] Oh, you're not actually
asking a question,
[1:31:25] you're just offering --
well, give it to her.
[1:31:30] >> Thank you so much.
[1:31:31] I really appreciate that talk.
[1:31:32] It was fascinating.
[1:31:34] One question I had was
actually from your biography
[1:31:37] that was provided, which
was just talking about you
[1:31:40] and your wife's interest
in supporting initiatives
[1:31:42] that further mindfulness
in K through 12 education.
[1:31:45] And I wondered if you could
just provide some examples
[1:31:48] of what exactly that can look
[1:31:50] like in public education
and beyond?
[1:31:53] >> Okay, thank you
for that question.
[1:31:55] I alluded to it, but
obviously, you know,
[1:31:59] the subject of mindfulness is
so vast and to do it in a way
[1:32:04] that isn't just throwing facts
[1:32:07] at you would take actually
multiple occasions.
[1:32:12] Or you can remember what we
touch on today and then find
[1:32:18] out more for yourself, which
is really the best part.
[1:32:22] But in the book that my wife
and I, Myla, wrote together
[1:32:26] on mindful parenting, which
is a while other story,
[1:32:29] there's a chapter in there about
fourth and fifth grade teacher
[1:32:33] from the Utah public school who
herself experienced mindfulness
[1:32:38] in MBSR for medical
reasons, health reasons,
[1:32:41] and then brought it into
her classroom against all
[1:32:43] of my advice, in Mormon Utah
[1:32:46] and it transformed
the entire school.
[1:32:48] So you could start there.
[1:32:50] You can also Google
mindfulness in education.
[1:32:52] You'll find out there are
groups of teachers in lots
[1:32:56] of different places
that are doing this.
[1:32:57] And if you want to take a trip
up 89 to South Burlington,
[1:33:01] Vermont, I was just there
a couple of weeks ago,
[1:33:04] and they are doing amazing
things in that school system.
[1:33:07] The superintendent and one of
the principals actually came
[1:33:10] to a day-long mindfulness
retreat that I did
[1:33:13] for the teachers and
there are hundreds
[1:33:16] of teachers bringing mindfulness
[1:33:17] into their curriculum
at every age.
[1:33:20] So there's a lot to
be said about it.
[1:33:22] I think it's one
of the best things
[1:33:24] to happen in modern education.
[1:33:26] And it's really inspiring the
teachers because nowadays it's
[1:33:33] so challenging, and there's so
much stress in that profession.
[1:33:37] And so many of the kids come
and they're not ready to learn.
[1:33:40] So they need to learn
how to learn,
[1:33:42] tuning the instrument before
you play it, so to speak.
[1:33:45] And this is a way to
actually allow that to happen
[1:33:49] and in a way that -- I've
been in classrooms like this
[1:33:51] in Oakland, and in
Manhattan, in New York City,
[1:33:54] public schools, unbelievable.
[1:33:57] I mean, and one teacher in
South Burlington called it a
[1:34:00] pin-drop moment.
[1:34:01] You could hear a pin drop
in these classes where a lot
[1:34:05] of the kids are like,
ordinarily all over the place.
[1:34:08] But they have actually
learned how to drop in.
[1:34:10] It's value for attention
deficit disorder,
[1:34:12] attention deficit hyperactivity
disorder, and it's also valuable
[1:34:16] for the teacher's sanity.
[1:34:19] Thank you.
[1:34:22] So --
[1:34:24] >> Hello. I was just wondering
what your general advice would
[1:34:29] be, when we're trying to, you
know, live it moment by moment,
[1:34:32] but we're faced with moments
where we have to make decisions.
[1:34:36] And I know we have to make
dozens of decisions every day.
[1:34:39] And sometimes they are
big decisions regarding,
[1:34:41] like our futures or
personal relationships,
[1:34:44] and my friends are
always telling me,
[1:34:45] like, don't overthink it.
[1:34:47] >> Don't overthink it?
[1:34:48] >> Yeah. But I know
it's really difficult.
[1:34:52] So --
[1:34:53] >> Well, it's a great question.
[1:34:57] Now you want an answer?
[1:34:59] >> Yeah.
[1:35:00] [ Laughter ]
[1:35:02] >> I realize that's the reason
why I decided to come today.
[1:35:05] >> Oh. Wonderful.
[1:35:09] Wonderful.
[1:35:10] [ Laughter ]
[1:35:15] >> You're probably
going to overthink it.
[1:35:19] But you can hold that in
awareness, the overthinking.
[1:35:24] And the awareness will
actually take care of you.
[1:35:26] A lot of times -- let's
say it's relationships,
[1:35:29] you mentioned relationships,
is that right?
[1:35:32] And it's very complicated.
[1:35:34] And you know, mindfulness
is all about relationships.
[1:35:38] We start with the body.
[1:35:40] What's my relationship
with my body?
[1:35:42] It's pretty weird even to
say I have a relationship
[1:35:44] with my body.
[1:35:45] Who's talking?
[1:35:48] You're not your body.
[1:35:50] But you have a body.
[1:35:52] Oh yeah? So something
even there,
[1:35:55] that we don't know a
lot more than we let on.
[1:35:58] Okay, then you have
a relationship
[1:36:00] with your mind and your heart.
[1:36:02] In all Asian languages, as you
may know, the word for mind
[1:36:06] and the word for heart
is the same word.
[1:36:08] So when you hear the
word mindfulness,
[1:36:09] if you're not hearing
heartfullness,
[1:36:11] you're not hearing -- you're
not really understanding.
[1:36:14] It's got this tenor of
spaciousness of heart, okay?
[1:36:19] So inside of that, a
certain kind of trust.
[1:36:23] And trust in what?
[1:36:25] How about your own beauty?
[1:36:27] Okay, so when you start to
know yourself in that kind
[1:36:30] of non conceptual way,
not with thinking,
[1:36:32] but through embodied awareness
of sensation and of, you know,
[1:36:37] hearing and smelling and
tasting, and stuff like --
[1:36:40] and of your thoughts, that
are overthinking who to be
[1:36:43] in a relationship with,
[1:36:44] or who to break off
a relationship with,
[1:36:47] or whatever it is, and you're
not judging that whole thing --
[1:36:51] your deeper intuition and
wisdom is trustworthy.
[1:36:58] And when you get into trouble,
that's trustworthy too.
[1:37:02] Oh, I see, I made this kind
of decision, I overthought it
[1:37:05] to this degree, and
I wound up, whamo,
[1:37:09] in some place I didn't
want to be.
[1:37:11] That's important information.
[1:37:13] That's useful data.
[1:37:15] Then you learn from that, an
the next time if you're really,
[1:37:18] really, really, really mindful,
[1:37:20] you won't repeat
the same pattern.
[1:37:23] But mostly what we do is
repeat the same old pattern,
[1:37:26] over and over and over again.
[1:37:28] Because we're attracted
to just those people
[1:37:31] who are not so healthy for us.
[1:37:34] If you've read The Power of
Now, Ecarte Tole [Phonetic],
[1:37:36] which I recommend you read
these kinds of things,
[1:37:39] he talks about a kind of
construct called a pain body.
[1:37:43] So a lot of, like, falling
in love is like if you start
[1:37:46] to look at it, is by pain
body, what's all knotted up
[1:37:50] and painful and hurt in me
recognizes what's all knotted up
[1:37:54] and painful and hurt in you, and
those pain bodies fall in love.
[1:37:58] Meanwhile -- not a good idea.
[1:38:00] Because it's what you call
a dysfunctional relationship
[1:38:03] from the start.
[1:38:05] You know, but the awareness can
see that, and it can save you.
[1:38:10] I have a friend at MIT,
[1:38:12] one of the graduate
students with me in my lab.
[1:38:14] And he said -- he decided
to get married at one point,
[1:38:18] and I did -- the only
time I've ever done this,
[1:38:20] I gave somebody advice about
who they wanted to marry.
[1:38:23] And I said don't do it.
[1:38:26] I was young.
[1:38:27] And arrogant.
[1:38:28] So I said don't do it.
[1:38:30] He did it anyway, of course.
[1:38:32] He got married.
[1:38:33] Thee years later
they got divorced,
[1:38:34] and he said to me
later, he said you know,
[1:38:37] how come it took
you three seconds
[1:38:38] to see what it took
me three years to see.
[1:38:40] And I said well, it's because,
you know, I wasn't in it.
[1:38:44] To see it when you're in it,
[1:38:46] that requires a whole different
rotation in consciousness.
[1:38:50] But it is trustworthy.
[1:38:51] So there is no answer to your
question, it's life unfolding.
[1:38:55] And whether it's your
relationship to another person
[1:38:57] or with choosing courses or
a career path or anything
[1:39:01] like that, trust your love.
[1:39:03] And as what's his name, Joseph
Campbell said, and you know,
[1:39:09] this is a really good piece
of advice, follow your bliss.
[1:39:14] Follow your bliss.
[1:39:15] And it will teach you
everything you need to know,
[1:39:17] including how sometimes
following your bliss needs
[1:39:19] to be modulated a little bit.
[1:39:23] I hope that helps, because I
don't have anything else to say.
[1:39:26] >> Thank you.
[1:39:29] [ Applause ]
[1:39:36] >> People are saying that
life is more complicated
[1:39:38] and more stressful now,
and I would believe it,
[1:39:41] I don't have anything
to measure it against.
[1:39:44] And also the same with war.
[1:39:45] That people go to war and come
back having experienced things
[1:39:48] that they might not have
lived through in other wars.
[1:39:51] And there are scientists
working on PTSD and trying
[1:39:55] to help people heal from those
things they might not have
[1:39:59] lived through.
[1:40:00] And so sometimes I
think about how we're --
[1:40:02] like, if the world is becoming
for stressful or complicated
[1:40:06] and our answer is
change yourself,
[1:40:08] change your relationship
with that stress, it seems --
[1:40:12] I'm not sure, it seems -- I
don't know how to say it --
[1:40:17] >> I got it.
[1:40:18] Thanks. That's the
other half of my talk.
[1:40:20] >> All right.
[1:40:21] >> So thank you for
bringing that up.
[1:40:23] So let me just very
quickly say this isn't
[1:40:26] about changing yourself.
[1:40:28] It's about recognizing --
[1:40:29] it's exactly the opposite
of changing yourself.
[1:40:32] It's recognizing the
beauty in yourself already.
[1:40:35] No change necessary.
[1:40:36] Now imagine if the congress
actually were mindful.
[1:40:43] Okay? Actually, there
is a congress man
[1:40:46] in the congress now, Tim Ryan
from the 17 eighteenth district
[1:40:51] in Ohio who is doing everything
he can to bring mindfulness
[1:40:55] into the main stream in the
political and economic circles.
[1:40:59] You'll see his name
around from time to time.
[1:41:01] Fifth term congress man.
[1:41:03] But the much longer thing,
and I wrote 100 pages
[1:41:07] of mindful politics and
coming to our senses.
[1:41:10] This is not about forgetting
[1:41:11] about social change
or transformation.
[1:41:14] But in order to really have
profound social change that's
[1:41:19] in alignment with
humanity and with kindness,
[1:41:23] we have to look at
our own minds.
[1:41:24] Because even the social change
agents are driven by greed,
[1:41:27] hatred, and delusion, just
like all the rest of us.
[1:41:30] Okay, so until we
learn how to sort
[1:41:33] of at least recognize the toxic
or the sort of inquisitive,
[1:41:39] violent aspects in ourself,
then we can do all we want
[1:41:44] to transform the
institutions and even the laws.
[1:41:47] But human beings, being
what they are, what we need
[1:41:50] to do is transform the species.
[1:41:52] Or I wouldn't say
transform the species,
[1:41:55] I would say have the
species come into its own.
[1:41:57] Because we call ourselves
Homo sapiens sapiens.
[1:42:00] In Latin, saperi [Phonetic] is
the verb to taste or to know.
[1:42:05] Okay, K-N-O-W.
[1:42:06] So Homo sapien sapien is
the species that knows.
[1:42:09] And knows that it knows.
[1:42:11] So in other words, awareness,
yes, and meta awareness,
[1:42:14] awareness of awareness.
[1:42:16] Now if we really --
that would be wisdom.
[1:42:19] If we actually were wise,
[1:42:21] then we would see what
war does to societies.
[1:42:26] We would understand that we --
[1:42:29] you know, with the kind
of preciosity and weapons
[1:42:31] and fire power and everything,
we need to find other ways
[1:42:35] of resolving human conflict.
[1:42:36] But where's that
going to come from?
[1:42:38] It's going to come out
of the same human heart,
[1:42:39] the same human mind,
and corporations,
[1:42:42] which after all mean
bodies, okay,
[1:42:45] the corpus or the body politic.
[1:42:48] And that's made up
of human beings.
[1:42:51] So we do need to sort of
tune the instrument on lots
[1:42:54] of different levels, including
the law and jurisprudence
[1:42:58] to actually privilege awareness
over a kind of dualistic,
[1:43:08] adversarial condition where
it's really winners and losers.
[1:43:15] And a huge amount of harm and
social injustice gets done
[1:43:19] and then we learn to sort of
tolerate it, thinking well,
[1:43:21] a hundred years from
now it will be better.
[1:43:25] So this is not going
to happen over night.
[1:43:28] I have a very long time horizon.
[1:43:30] Like -- I like to say, one
Zen master put it this way,
[1:43:33] never forget the
thousand-year view.
[1:43:36] I actually have pretty
much a thousand year view.
[1:43:38] If it happens in 100,
so much the better.
[1:43:41] Even where we would site
nuclear power plants,
[1:43:44] if we were building nuclear
power plants in, say,
[1:43:46] northern Japan, for instance.
[1:43:48] Where would you site
them, knowing the geology
[1:43:51] of the Pacific Rim
and northern Japan.
[1:43:54] Oh, maybe not too
close to the water.
[1:43:57] I don't know.
[1:43:59] You need an awful lot of
mindfulness to actually,
[1:44:01] you know, come up with
something like that.
[1:44:04] So it has infinite
number of implications.
[1:44:07] And I apologize for actually
not having spent more time
[1:44:11] on this talk going there.
[1:44:14] It is all in coming
to our senses,
[1:44:16] and there's an awful
lot happening
[1:44:18] in the world nowadays
around that.
[1:44:20] So we'll take one more
and then we will stop.
[1:44:22] Two more. If two people are
standing up, I'll take --
[1:44:25] are you standing
up for a question?
[1:44:27] You're just the microphone
holder?
[1:44:29] Do you want to sing
or something,
[1:44:31] or just like -- this
is your moment.
[1:44:33] I mean, American Idol.
[1:44:35] >> I can make --
[1:44:38] >> This will be --
you want to sing?
[1:44:42] >> I'm hoping -- I'm a
resident at the hospital here,
[1:44:48] and I know you're getting
involved with trying
[1:44:50] to bring this into, you know,
more main stream medicine.
[1:44:53] And I'm hoping it's not going
to be like, a hundred --
[1:44:57] >> Oh no, it's already -- it's
already in main stream medicine,
[1:45:00] just -- just not here.
[1:45:02] >> Right -- so I -- I mean, it's
definitely not encouraged for us
[1:45:08] to take care of ourselves,
and the amount of stresses
[1:45:12] and appointments and
phone calls and now EDH,
[1:45:14] our new computer system --
[1:45:18] >> I heard about that.
[1:45:19] >> -- and 30 minute -- you
know, I'm in psychiatry,
[1:45:21] and 30 minutes to like, adjust
meds, and also the person wants
[1:45:26] to talk to me and all of that.
[1:45:28] And it's completely
stressed me out.
[1:45:32] But I can only imagine -- and
I'm pretty great [Inaudible]
[1:45:36] and good, you know,
great faculty.
[1:45:38] But if I were to say you
know what, I'm going to go
[1:45:41] to Shimbala to meditate, because
I do meditation in Shimbala --
[1:45:46] >> You mean the Shimbala
meditation center in Colorado?
[1:45:48] >> Well, there's one in -- White
River Junction there's one.
[1:45:51] >> Okay.
[1:45:52] >> But I've, you
know, taken courses
[1:45:53] and like, level 1 and level 2.
[1:45:55] And -- but if I were to
say that, you know what,
[1:45:59] I'm going to go for lunch, and
we're not really doing anything,
[1:46:01] I'm going to go meditate for an
hour, and then I'm going to be
[1:46:04] so much more there
for my patients.
[1:46:07] It probably -- even with
these kind, you know,
[1:46:10] good mentors, it's
not going fly.
[1:46:13] And I advise my patients
on these things.
[1:46:16] But still the medical
professionals are --
[1:46:19] >> You see --
[1:46:20] >> -- these superhuman
people that I'm not.
[1:46:23] >> In a talk like this I
can only in some sense point
[1:46:27] to how deeply the
penetration has gone.
[1:46:33] However, what you're
saying is not deep enough,
[1:46:36] by any stretch of
the imagination.
[1:46:37] And it takes a long, long
time to shift a culture
[1:46:41] that has its own self interest.
[1:46:43] A long time.
[1:46:45] So one --
[1:46:46] >> Just like I'm sure it
takes a long time for people
[1:46:48] to get to your clinic.
[1:46:51] I know the chronic pain
patients we're seeing,
[1:46:53] we're not advising, like,
any of the recommend --
[1:46:57] you know, what you guys --
[1:46:58] >> But you could
set up an M B S R --
[1:47:00] maybe there is, is
there an MBSR --
[1:47:02] >> Not even close.
[1:47:05] >> Well, that's not
that radical to do.
[1:47:08] Are you in psychiatry?
[1:47:09] >> Yes.
[1:47:10] >> Yeah, well, it's
not that radical to do.
[1:47:11] Maybe medicine should do it,
if psychiatry has an aversion
[1:47:14] to the mind-body connection.
[1:47:17] [ Laughter ]
[1:47:22] >> I even know
gastroenterologists
[1:47:24] who are working with
veterans who have PTSD
[1:47:29] and pulmonologists, I mean, this
goes -- transcends specialty.
[1:47:34] >> There are some, and you would
hope psychiatry would the most
[1:47:37] open to it.
[1:47:39] >> Well, I don't
know if I would hope.
[1:47:40] But you would hope.
[1:47:41] If you hope it, then
make it happen.
[1:47:43] You see, the psychiatry of
the future, where does it lie?
[1:47:47] >> Not in medication.
[1:47:49] >> Well, where does it lie?
[1:47:51] I'm being serious with you now.
[1:47:53] >> Well, I think in the
neuro sciences, and --
[1:47:56] >> No, no, I'm looking for
something much simpler.
[1:47:59] It lies with you.
[1:48:01] >> Oh.
[1:48:02] >> It lies with that impulse
to have come to this talk.
[1:48:05] It lies with that impulse
to go to the Shambala center
[1:48:08] and clear your mind and
then be more present.
[1:48:10] If you want the medicine of
the future to be different
[1:48:13] or the psychiatry of the
future to be different,
[1:48:15] don't look around for
someone else to do it.
[1:48:17] You do it.
[1:48:18] When will you be good enough?
[1:48:20] Never. Because part of
your mind will tell you,
[1:48:23] you don't have enough power,
you don't have enough influence,
[1:48:25] you don't have enough this.
[1:48:26] You've got plenty.
[1:48:27] As a medical resident,
[1:48:28] as a psychiatry resident,
you've got plenty.
[1:48:31] And if people don't want
to do it, that's too bad.
[1:48:34] But you can take the initiative.
[1:48:35] And I'm not joking.
[1:48:36] I mean, we're really
talking about a rotation
[1:48:38] in consciousness here.
[1:48:40] And the institutions change
when people are willing
[1:48:42] to actually own how you take it,
[1:48:46] and you've had enough
medical training to be able
[1:48:49] to make coherent
arguments that a lot
[1:48:51] of the way the healthcare
system is set up, I'm guessing,
[1:48:54] just from what you've said,
is toxic to the people
[1:48:56] that you're most trying to help.
[1:48:57] What kind of a set up is that?
[1:48:59] Even if you have a better
medical records system.
[1:49:05] [ Laughter ]
[1:49:11] >> Okay, this will be
the last one, then.
[1:49:13] >> There's somebody
really ahead of me.
[1:49:14] I just wanted to let people
know we do have upper valley
[1:49:18] [Inaudible] associates,
we're psycho therapists,
[1:49:21] and we're in our sixth year
[1:49:24] of offering mindfulness-based
cognitive therapy.
[1:49:28] >> Another thing I didn't get
to really talk about too much,
[1:49:32] mindfulness-based
cognitive therapy.
[1:49:34] But yeah, I mean, there are --
I'm sure there are resources
[1:49:37] in this area, lots of them,
like the Shambala center.
[1:49:40] Are there any MBSR teachers
here, in the community?
[1:49:43] There you go.
[1:49:44] Say --
[1:49:47] [ Inaudible audience comment ]
[1:49:50] >> No, wait a minute, someone
just said no, there's another
[1:49:52] at Dartmouth, Hitchcock.
[1:49:54] But MBSR is at Dartmouth
Hitchcock?
[1:49:59] [ Inaudible audience comment ]
[1:50:00] >> Well, you see,
the doctor doesn't --
[1:50:02] you know, so between the two of
you, you have an insurrection.
[1:50:09] How many else -- how many other
people are here with that,
[1:50:12] how many are -- oh, so
now you have a revolution.
[1:50:16] I mean, you know, listen,
that's how institutions change.
[1:50:20] And you can do it with
tremendous intelligence,
[1:50:22] with tremendous propriety,
with tremendous intentionality.
[1:50:27] And kindness.
[1:50:28] So that it's not like you're
going to go and just sort
[1:50:31] of be obnoxious and tell
everybody what they're
[1:50:33] doing wrong.
[1:50:34] But to actually offer a new
option that I'm not joking,
[1:50:38] folks, people are dying for.
[1:50:41] People are dying for it.
[1:50:43] Metaphorically and literally.
[1:50:45] And if -- there's never been
more scientific evidence
[1:50:48] in favor of moving
in this direction.
[1:50:50] So in some sense what I'm
saying is the responsibility
[1:50:54] for the future of
not only medicine
[1:50:56] but our society is a
distributive responsibility.
[1:51:01] And as I like to say, the
world needs all its flowers
[1:51:04] and you're one, whether
your mind says,
[1:51:06] and it's like depressive
rumination,
[1:51:08] he means everybody else
in the room but not me.
[1:51:10] No, I mean you.
[1:51:13] And see if you don't recognize
the flower that you are,
[1:51:17] and the genus that you are,
and the beauty that you are,
[1:51:20] and take it and -- someplace
[1:51:22] where it can illuminate
some tiny little corner
[1:51:27] that may be insignificant,
but isn't, you think it is
[1:51:30] but it isn't, and just apply
what you care most deeply
[1:51:35] about there.
[1:51:36] That's how health -- that's
how the care gets back
[1:51:39] into healthcare.
[1:51:40] We're not talking about health
insurance reform, we're talking
[1:51:43] about healthcare reform.
[1:51:45] And we haven't seen the
beginning of healthcare reform.
[1:51:48] And when we do, it will be
a participatory medicine.
[1:51:52] It will be recruiting the
interior dimensionality
[1:51:55] and resources that every
single human being by virtue
[1:51:59] of being born a human being
has to one degree or another.
[1:52:02] And that degree is huge.
[1:52:05] And we need to learn
how to recruit it,
[1:52:07] because anything else
will just be technology
[1:52:10] and it will be all doing-based
and none of it being-based.
[1:52:14] And we're not called
human doings,
[1:52:16] we're called human beings.
[1:52:18] So at that, I'm going to stop it
because again, the -- it's late.
[1:52:22] But thank you very much
for your attention.
[1:52:26] [ Applause ]